Re: Fwd: Fwd: [xmca] Vygotsky on Identity?

From: Tony Whitson <twhitson who-is-at UDel.Edu>
Date: Fri Nov 23 2007 - 09:59:22 PST

Those who have this book (including some xmca folk with chapters in it)
might find relevance in this chapter:

Duarte, Newton. "Education as Mediation between the Individual's Everyday
Life and the Historical Construction of Society and Culture by Humankind."
In Critical Perspectives on Activity: Explorations across Education, Work,
and Everyday Life, edited by Peter H. Sawchuk, Newton Duarte and i Mohamed
Elhammoum, 211-37: Cambridge University Press, 2006.

Mike, I get xmca only in text (not html). I assume that's the same for
everybody: If I post a message using html, a text-only message is

That means nobody will see red or other colors, and most people will not
see non-Roman (e.g., Russian) characters.

That's why, when I want to post something that requires more than just
plain ASCII text, I sometimes post it on one of my blogs, and then send
xmca a message with the link and a text-only version of what people would
find there.

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007,
Mike Cole wrote:

> In red below is my attempt at translation of a note from Boris Mescheryakov
re identity and personality in LSV. Boris, whose work you can read in the
Companion to Vygotsky and elsewhere
was kind enough to look up relevant passages from LSV. I probably have not
done the translation justice, but most all of this exists in English and
others more knowledgeable of Russian
can straighten things out.

It appears were are dealing with issues that are not usefully reduced to
either or....... again.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Boris Meshcheryakov <>
Date: Nov 23, 2007 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [xmca] Vygotsky on Identity?
To: Mike Cole <>

  , Mike.
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Apparently, those who believe that the problem of identity, identification,
self determination were not independent subjects of thought and
investigation by LSV are correct. I can only propos a few of his statements
on the development of personality and self consciousness (this connection
Vygotsky clearly did describe)

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"the difference between child and adolescent may be best expressed by
Hegel's position that distinguished things in themselves and things for
oneself. He said that the all things are initially in themselves, but
matters do not stop at this point and in the process of development the
thing turns into a thing for onself. Thus, he said, a person (man) in
himself is a child, whose task is to leave behind that abstract and
undeveloped "in himself" and in so doing, in order to become for himself in
a way that he is in the meantime only in himself, that is, to become a free
and intelligent being. This very transformation of the child into an adult
(man) in himself in the adolescent -- a person (man) for himself--
constitutes the major content of the entire crisis of this transitional age.
It is an epoch of the maturation of personality and world view (Pedology of
the Adolescent, Comp Works, v4, p. 199)

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, . ., . 3, . 144). (A) Personality becomes for
itself, when it has previously been in itself, through what it manifests
through others (History of Dev of HPF, Coll. Works, Vol 3, p. 144)

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from same work is very important:

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3, . 324/ . ..).

James Baldwin correctly noted that the concept of "I" develops in a child
from the concept of others. The concept, personality, that is, the social,
reflected, concept, is built on the basis of the fact that the child uses in
relationship to himself those means of adaptation which he uses in
relationship to others. This is why it is possible to say that personality
is the social in us. (vol 3, p. 324)

" " (1931) From Varshava and
Vygotsky (1931) *Psychological Dictionary*:

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Identification (Freud) - the equating, making similar, of oneself to another
personality, the adoption by oneself of the characteristics of a specific
person. Identification plays a huge role in reminisences, dreams and
creativity. The psychological sense of identification comes down to the
widening of one's circle of experiences (perezhivania), to the enrichment of
innner life.

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Personality is a term indicating a unity in the indivualenss of all everyday
life and psychological manifestation of persons; a person (man) accepting
himself as a certain individual unity and entity in all processes of change
that take place in the organism and the psyche - this is personality.
Disease of personality is expressed in the disintegration of this unity.

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In *Psychology of Art *in the chapter on Hamlet Vygotsky accentuates the
concept, "second birth." In the works of AN Leontiev one also encounters
this term in connection with the development of selfconsciousness during




Tony Whitson
UD School of Education

"those who fail to reread
  are obliged to read the same story everywhere"
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