Re: [xmca] two more on pointing

From: Mike Cole <lchcmike who-is-at>
Date: Wed Nov 21 2007 - 09:32:22 PST

Nacho-- Google tells me:
Vygotsky (1978, p56) provides the example of pointing a finger. Initially,
this behavior begins as a meaningless grasping motion; however, as people
react to the gesture, it becomes a movement that has meaning. In particular,
the pointing gesture represents an interpersonal connection between

My reason for rasiing this issue on XMCA arose because of our local seminar
on mediational theories of mind in which the example occurs in a reading,
then we read Tomasello, and because in our textbook on development I have
followed the literature on pointing.

LSV appears wrong about the origins of pointing in "meaningly grasping
motion" (not his words, but close enough for discussion). Question. What
would a modern, more adequate,
Vygotskian analysis be??

On Nov 21, 2007 4:18 AM, Nacho Montero García-Celay <>

> Mike,
> I replayed this message before but I have not receipt it so, I'll try
> again.
> First of all, I'm not sure about the original source of Vygotsky's
> hyphotesis on the origin of pointing gesture (Mind in Society, Collected
> works...). Could you please refresh my memory?
> Second, I think that there are enough empirical evidence today to reject
> the idea of reaching becoming pointing. The two gestures appears in
> parallel and works differently.
> Third, any way, it doesn't mean that a Vygotskian perspective on the
> origin
> and functions of pointing -communicative and self-regulatory- could not be
> sustained. We have some data on this but still on works...
> PS: How was the moving? Ready for letters :-)?
> At 19:41 19/11/2007, you wrote:
> >Alfredo asked for the tomasello et al paper which I sent him. But I also
> >took the time to
> >see that thee was some interestings responses to the paper that I include
> >here.
> >
> >So, what IS the role of the socially organized environment in the
> acquistion
> >of communicative
> >pointing? Does anyone want to propose a la LSV that it begins as
> reaching??
> >mike
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