Re: [xmca] Radius of Subjectivity

      Paul:

I apologize that in the previous post I did not include the following link
to support my thoughts on heterochrony:

http://www.nature.com/hdy/journal/v90/n1/full/6800197a.html

hope this is helpful. As I mentioned before this is purely speculative on
my part and being a practitioner and not a researcher I wouldn't currently
have the time or the resources to move beyond speculation. I was pointing
out that there is current research being undertaken that points toward
bioliogical processes that play a role in development. Are they to the
chromosonal level? I highly doubt that. Do biological processes play some
role in development? Biologically the "Wild boy of Avignon (sp?) was a
human and not a wolf; developmentally, however, is another story.
Reversing the impact of the boy's experience was unsuccessful because of
the social/cultural/historical nature of his individual growth. Here is
where I speculate, I am suggesting that because he was not provided the
cultural contexts during his maturation of certain biological processes
(heterochrony) the development of his "higher mental functions" was and
always would be retarded.

Hope this is helpful in understanding my speculation.

what do you think?
eric

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Paul:

When discussing biological processes pertaining to human development I mean
to include the work conducted by James Mark Baldwin as well as current
research that studies heterochrony and the appropiation of genetic
features(James Mark Baldwin's definition of genetic as it pertains to
development)

Please consider the attached article for consideration:

http://www.qualitative-research.net/fqs-texte/1-06/06-1-8-e.htm

eric

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Eric,

Sounds like something new. Hope you can sumount the concern that concept
of "biological processes" is a cultural - historical contruct.

Paul

ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org wrote:

Paul:

At first thought I consider zones in development as having to do with
biological processes that are windows for opportunity for appropriation of
human specific skills. More time perhaps may help me to rise to the
concrete on this one.

eric

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Andy, Eric

I'm not sure that Vygotsky's ZPD is at all similar to what Lewin had in
mind . It seems that Giddens microspaces -- that eclectic stew of
Bourdieu's fields and Garfinkel's ethnomethodological frames are the
already elaborated concepts that encompass what is being proposed in the
various terminologies being discussed in this thread.. . But, as far as I
understand, these theoretical constructs, have a totally abstract
relationship to Vygotsky's ZPD: the notion of a boundary, a very
abstrract notion at that, something limiting individual agency (which
doesn't have a whole lot to do with subjectivity in any event).

It seems to me that the learning process at the core of Vygotsky's ZPD
isn't a key factor in Lewin, Garfinkel, Giddens, or any other formulations
of "radii" I've read in this thread. In all of these micro-sociological
frames, the boundary has nothing at all to do with a learning relationship
between someone competent in a task and someone gaining competency.
Lewin's idea was almost geometrical. Do you think Vygotsky's was? From
what I understand the ZPD is not a boundary that can be reduced to a metric
any more than can the feelings of blossoming wonder or or monstrous terror.

What d'ya think>

Paul

Andy Blunden wrote:
Thank you Eric. You and David have given me the kind of pointers I
suspected were out there.
Andy
At 11:58 AM 13/11/2007 -0600, you wrote:

>Andy:
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>Radius of subjectivity is not new but providing different language for
>social situations can help introduce new thinking about the age old
>question, "Why and How are humans what they are?"
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>Consider the following quote regarding Kurt Lewin:
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> For Kurt Lewin behaviour was determined by totality of an individual's
> situation. In his field
> theory, a 'field' is defined as 'the totality of coexisting facts which
> are conceived of as
> mutually interdependent' (Lewin 1951: 240). Individuals were seen to
> behave differently according
> to the way in which tensions between perceptions of the self and of the
> environment were worked
> through. The whole psychological field, or 'lifespace', within which
> people acted had to be
> viewed, in order to understand behaviour. Within this individuals and
> groups could be seen in
> topological terms (using map-like representations). Individuals
> participate in a series of life
> spaces (such as the family, work, school and church), and these were
> constructed under the
> influence of various force vectors (Lewin
> 1952).
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>this was taken from the following website:
>http://wilderdom.com/theory/FieldTheory.html
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>or consider Jaan Valsiner's Zone theory that suggests people develop based
>on their zone of free movement, society's zone of promoted action and the
>specific zone of proximal development ( as defined by Seth Chaiklen).
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>I for one appreciate your input and believe if you were to extrapolate
>further you may be onto a successful philosophical tool Andy!
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>My reason for splurting the thought on to the list was the suspicion that
>it was not original.
>There are differences though. The idea of "radius" as a measure unites,
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>example, both "society" and the "individual", which people regularly talk
>about as two distinct levels needing some kind of bridge between them, and
>you have people talking about "agency" in quite contradictory ways, using
>the same word for what appears as two different things, but actually
>involves different radii which has a continuous scale. Plus you mention a
>trichotomy, but a quite different trichotomy to identity, agency and
>knowing.
>Andy
>At 03:17 PM 8/11/2007 -0800, you wrote:
> >Andy--
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> > Great! But wait....
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> > What's the relationship between your "radii of subjectivity" (and my
> > "event horizon" and Mike's and LSV's "social situation of
learning"...how
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> > the terms proliferate!) and the trichotomy (if that is what it is)
> > "operation", "action", and "activity"?
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> > That's my question!
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> > David Kellogg
> > Seoul National University of Education
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