Re: [xmca] Humans and nature

Sorry, Michalis! Too much English language teaching "insider talk". In my little village, EVERYBODY knows van Lier (but then hardly anyone knows Vygotsky!)
   
  The van Lier in question is Leo van Lier. He's Dutch all right, but he's a professor at the Monterey Institute of International Studies. The book is:
   
  The Ecology and Semiotics of Language Learning, Boston, Dordrecht, New York and London: Kluwer Academic.
   
  As the title suggests, it's very Batesonian: lots of stuff on "affordances". But beware--this book costs a LOT of money and it's VERY badly edited. Get it through the library if humanly possible. The Peircean analysis of Volosinov in on p. 114, but there's a VERY good gloss of Peircean signs on pp. 61-73.
   
  David Kellogg
  Seoul National University of Education

Michalis Kontopodis <michalis.kontopodis@staff.hu-berlin.de> wrote:
  Thank you David,

is this the publication you refered to: Van Lier, Eva 2004:
Straattaal. Neerlandica Extra Muros. February 2004. ?

I would be interested in doing some historical investigation on the
origins and uses of the concept of mediation in 19th and early 20th
century, which would probably be the link between all these works. At
the moment I am in vacation (for the next two weeks) and do not have
access to any library, so I will later come back to this.

with thankful regards,

Michalis Kontopodis

research associate
humboldt university berlin
tel.: +49 (0) 30 2093 3716
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On Mar 21, 2008, at 12:24 AM, David Kellogg wrote:

> Dear Michalis,
>
> I think there isn't any direct evidence for a Peircean influence.
> But I also think it's there.
>
> One POSSIBLE conduit is Volosinov. van Lier (2004) has pointed out
> that Volosinov's analysis of "Well!" in "Discourse in Art and
> Discourse in Life" (the appendix to his book on Freudianism) is
> reducible with almost no remainder to a Peircean one.
>
> Andy would say this is because of their common Hegelian origin.
> Peirce and Volosinov are cousins in the same generation like apes
> and humans; the latter is not descended from the former. That's
> probably so. But still, as Marx would say, "the anatomy of man is
> the key to the anatomy of the ape".
>
> David Kellogg
> Seoul National University of Education
>
>
>
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