Re: [xmca] 'Summer reading' continued: "Are we Rome?"

No, Mike, I prefer the "Roman" Empire, not the "Persian."
The development ("binary fluctuations?") in the "3rd Rome" certainly calls for
a re-reading of Lotman...

Eirik

On 2007-07-31, at 02:55, Mike Cole wrote:
> You perhaps prefer Putin~s Russia, Eric. check out the stories about
> ^"Nashi" (Ours) the new putin youth group. Gitler youth in red scarves
> not brown shirts.
>
> Meantime, the Iraqi soccer/football team, that cannot live in Iraq (thank
> you Saddam and GW) win the Aisian (???) tournament and the killing
> in Iraq is quieted for a while (not automatically, but owing to automatic
> gun fire).
>
> Should we prefer Seventh Seal, Virgin Spring, or Scene from a Marriage?
> mike
>
>
> On 7/30/07, Eirik Knutsson <eikn6681@student.su.se> wrote:
>>
>> Garcia Lorca's cry is interesting, indeed. There is (at first glance, at
>> least)
>> nothing obviously Roman about NYC. Washington D.C., however, has Capitol
>> Hill,
>> Roman obelisks, and the Jefferson Memorial (an American Pantheon). Cullen
>> Murphy gives some examples of a kind of "refeudalization" in late
>> capitalism.
>> Power is organized in structures and hierarchies of patrons and clients,
>> Bush
>> succeeds Bush, Clinton succeeds Clinton, prison- and health services are
>> privatized, the state monopoly of violence is undermined. Torture
>> (crucifixions), health care and warfare were all put out to private tender
>> in
>> the declining the Roman Empire.
>>
>> Eirik
>>
>>
>> On 2007-07-30, at 12:05, Leif Strandberg wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > About Rome.
>> >
>> > I just came over (serendipity? - my favourite word this summer) a poem
>> > by Garcia Lorca. In his 'A poet in New York' (1930) I found a small
>> > poem called (in Swedish):
>> >
>> > Rop mot Rom - Från tornet av Chrysler Building
>> > (Cry against Rome - from the tower of Chrysler Building)
>> > from 1930.
>> >
>> > Interesting that he used 'Rome' when writing about NY
>> >
>> > Leif
>> >
>> >
>> > 2007-07-26 kl. 11.45 skrev Eirik Knutsson:
>> >
>> >> Or, according to Geir Lundestad, "empire by invitation":
>> >>
>> >> "... if [the] American expansion created what we could call an
>> >> American empire,
>> >> this was to a large extent an empire by invitation. Unlike the Soviet
>> >> Union,
>> >> which frequently had to rely on force to further its interests, the
>> >> United
>> >> States possessed an arsenal of diverse instruments. In fact, the
>> >> United States
>> >> was often invited to play a more active role."
>> >>
>> >> ( http://jpr.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/23/3/263 )
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2007-07-26, at 08:25, Leif Strandberg wrote:
>> >>> E
>> >>>
>> >>> I think we are doing what we can to be a part of Rome ("Legtimate
>> >>> peripheral participation" - see Swedish and Norwegian soliders in the
>> >>> ISAF forces in Afghanistan)
>> >>>
>> >>> I am waitng for a New Martin Luther
>> >>>
>> >>> Leif
>> >>> 2007-07-25 kl. 13.46 skrev Eirik Knutsson:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Leif, if America is Rome: who are we (Europeans) then? "Athenians"...
>> >>>> now
>> >>>> conquered by Rome... (?)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> E.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2007-07-25, at 13:27, Leif Strandberg wrote:
>> >>>>> No, but I have heard about it,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I listened to a radio programme the other day where the reporter
>> >>>>> reminded me that Rome lasted for 800 years
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> :-(
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Leif
>> >>>>> Sweden
>> >>>>> 2007-07-25 kl. 12.13 skrev Eirik Knutsson:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Has anybody out there read Cullen Murphy's "Are we Rome?" (Houghton
>> >>>>>> Mifflin,
>> >>>>>> 2007), in which contemporary Washington is compared with ancient
>> >>>>>> Rome?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> E.
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