Dear Martin & others,
First let me tell you I don't have much to add at this point, but this topic has just taken me by storm. I'm ordering books, reading, talking to just about anyone who will listen. I have worked with conduct disordered adolescents in the past and I see many of my personal and professional interests coming together right now.
I am very interested in what we might be able to do with literacy 'writ large' and the aesthetic, but especially transmediation and the use of metaphor, in the arts, to forge links between disparate contexts without reifying or denigrating either. Again, I may be pushing here, but I see the links, as well, with Gadamer's work on the aesthetic and how the arts speak to us/ what they ask of us.
I like the way your thinking is moving, especially tackling a unilinear concept of history. I would agree that this is fundamental to the work.
Personally, I still have difficulty with development in general and what counts as cognitive and affective development for whom, where, and when.
I will keep reading and learning. The issue of moral complicity brings to mind Arendt....
~ Em
-- He only earns his freedom and his life, who takes them every day by storm. -- Johann Wolfgang Goethe Emily Duvall Doctoral Candidate (ABD) / Graduate Assistant-Instructor Language and Literacy Education (LLED) Department of Curriculum and Instruction College of Education Penn State University 256 Chambers Bldg. University Park , PA 16802 814-861-3315 (home) 814-404-6175 (cell) 814-863-4511 (office) FAX: 814-863-7602 edd130@psu.edu -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mike Cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> > GREAT Randi! > No way to start a discussion quickly. Too much on our plates and I need to > do a lot of reading > first and so does anyone else interested. What hit me so hard was that Herb > was taking > joint activity as his starting point and it is the topic of chapter 1. > Attached is an article > about Mescheryakov's work which gives you refs and links it up with a lot of > chat interests > so I'll send to all. > > I will be out of the country next week and August is a blur. AND, probably > not everyone will want > to discuss this topic. So lets make a date to see who IS interested around > mid-august and > perhaps create either a separate thread or a reading circle or whatever. > This is what seems to > happening around child soldiers which is really great. > > What great luck. > mike > > On 7/25/07, Randi A. Engle <raengle@berkeley.edu> wrote: > > > > Hello Mike and all, > > > > I was one of Herb's students while he was writing his book and got to > > provide comments on several draft chapters. Chapter 6 was the > > foundation of my dissertation work on multimodal explanations. Many > > other ideas in the book provide key theoretical foundations for me, > > though it's not always easy to do empirical analyses that are truly > > consistent with those foundations. > > > > In any case, I would love to discuss anything from any part of the > > book with you and others! One complication, though, is that it will > > have to be either in the next week or so, or after the middle of > > August as I'll be out of email contact from 8/4 to 8/16. > > > > One thing that might be helpful to keep in mind when reading the book > > is that it was written in hopes of engaging cognitively oriented > > psycholinguists to think differently about language (and eventually > > communication and interaction). I think this is partly why the book > > is titled "Using Language" rather than something else that might > > cover its full scope. It's also why earlier chapters have a > > transitional character, with Herb's full positions emerging as the > > book develops. Or at least that's my reading of it. > > > > But now I am incredibly curious to learn about Mescheryakov's work. > > What did he write and where might I find it? Please excuse me in > > advance if I've missed earlier discussions here about him--I > > sometimes have trouble keeping up with all the exciting things that > > appear on this space! > > > > Cheers, > > Randi Engle > > > > > > At 8:46 AM -0700 7/25/07, Mike Cole wrote: > > >2. All. I have just, after an inexcusable oversight lasting more than a > > >decade, found > > >Herb Clark's book, *Using Language*. Does anyone know it? It starts by > > >arguing that > > >language arises from pre-linguistic joint activity. In fact, the entire > > >first chapter is about > > >joint activity. I have just started it, but it reads very much as is it > > had > > >been written by > > >Mescheryakov thus far. Does anyone know this work? Am I on the right > > track?? > > >mike > > > > > > > -- > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Randi A. Engle, Ph.D. > > Assistant Professor > > Graduate School of Education > > University of California, Berkeley > > 4641 Tolman Hall > > Berkeley, CA 94720-1670 > > (510) 643-9720 > > > > http://gse.berkeley.edu/faculty/RAEngle/RAEngle.html > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > >
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