Re: [xmca] Analyses of gesture & speech

Hi Mike,
Leont'ev writes on p.62:

According to theterminology
I have proposed, the object of an activity is its true motive.*’ It is
understood thatthe motive may be either material or ideal, either
present in
perception or exi&&6Ny in the imagination or in thought. The main thing
is that behind actiil?* ‘re-should always be a need, that it should
always
answer one need or a? 4er, 4

I think that this is the place people generally refer to.

I have repeatedly pointed ou tthat it is not only the object that
appears twice but all the moments of activity---i.e., all the moments
Yrjö identifies in the triangle---appear twice, physically/materially/
in material action and in consciousness.

Cheers,
Michael

PS: Although your queries concerning appear to be directed to me, my
comments may be useful for the community as a whole:

1. We are caught up with MCA and we are now close to the 3 month
period for turn arounds for review;
2. We are filling currently the 3rd issue of 2008
3. I have been marking up the manuscripts submitted to provide
editorial/personal advice even in those cases where we came to a
conclusion that a paper is not suited for MCA
4. I will see over the next couple of months where we are in terms of
manuscript flow and acceptance rates and then determine whether we
should increase page numbers and, if so, by how much. Ultimately what
we want to do is (a) have a humane review process that acknowledge
the efforts of authors even if their manuscript is not deemed
appropriate for publication and (b) a high-quality, timely-published
journal.
5. In order to make it into the Thompson ISI database and its
rankings, we need to have larger numbers of citations. All of you on
this list can contribute to this by citing relevant articles in your
work, especially when you publish in other Thompson ISI listed journals

On 4-May-07, at 6:29 AM, Mike Cole wrote:

Nice to see you on line, michael.
Are we all coordinated with MCA?
Seems like we are way ahead.
Did you pursue the question of more pages with T&F?
I am slowly getting caught up thanks to my sabbatical. Off at the
end of next week for London, but working away in the meantime.
mike
PS- Do you know where the doublt aspect of "the object" is to be found
in Leontiev?

On 5/4/07, Michael A. Evans <mae@vt.edu> wrote:
> Please forward a copy my way as well, Michael...
>
> In regard to Paul's questions, "... what of gestures between
> students during
> collaborative work?" this is precisely what we're investigating in our
> current work - specifically, we are analyzing changes in gesture,
> gaze, and
> speech as PreK-3 children arranged in triads attempt to complete
> tasks in 2D
> geometry using a range of manipulatives (tangrams, geoboards,
> pentominoes,
> pattern blocks, etc)...moreover, we are interested in how changes
> in the
> artifact (from physical shapes on the tabletop to virtual shapes on
> the
> computer screen) differently influence problem-solving and
> reasoning...here
> is an excerpt from our manuscript that might begin to address Paul's
> question:
>
> " The virtual manipulative group produced a large number of pointing
> gestures, some simulated manipulation gestures aimed at or
> contacting the
> screen, and an occasional interactive gesture. The physical object
> group,
> again in sharp contrast, performed few gestures of any kind; their
> concern
> was with actions directed at objects. The two modalities speech and
> gestures of both the deictic and interactive kinds can be
> correlated as
> well. Thus, interactive gestures are linked with para level
> statements
> [cohesion through references that include individual participants] and
> deictic gestures with object level statements [cohesion through
> references
> to object world]. But there are also cross-correlations between
> gestural
> deixis and linguistic para. The methods outlined here seem directly
> applicable to the situations to be studied in the proposed research."
>
> Our goal in all of this is to develop and pilot test a tabletop
> interface (a
> "math table" if you will) whereby children maintain the social
> exchange
> facilitated by orientation around a table, while focusing on geometric
> concepts and transformations of virtual manipulative...
>
> Thanks, again, to everyone for providing such wonderful references and
> discussion - this will be tremendously useful for write up this
> summer...
>
> Cheers,
> Michael~
> --
> ____________________________________
> Michael A. Evans
> Assistant Professor
> Instructional Design & Technology Program
> School of Education
> Virginia Tech
>
>
>
> > From: Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca>
> > Reply-To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 21:22:44 -0700
> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] Analyses of gesture & speech
> >
> > Some of you might be interested in a chapter Lilian Pozzer-Ardenghi
> > and I wrote some time ago, which goes far beyond gesture and speech
> > and takes on many other semiotic resources produced and
> reproduced by
> > agents in setting. I can make available. Cheers, Michael
> >
> > TRACKING SITUATED, DISTRIBUTED,
> > AND EMBODIED COMMUNICATION IN REAL TIME
> > Wolff-Michael Roth and Lilian Pozzer-Ardenghi
> > University of Victoria
> > ABSTRACT
> > Recent studies in cognitive anthropology and cognitive science have
> > argued for the
> > situated, distributed, and embodied nature of cognition. Whereas
> many
> > scholars have
> > jumped on this bandwagon, detailed concrete cases of how and why
> > cognition ought to be
> > understood as situated, distributed, and embodied are relatively
> > scarce. Yet our research
> > shows that verbal and gestural deixis in real everyday communication
> > constitutes a prime
> > example for how extralinguistic, bodily and situational elements are
> > included in
> > communication, where they are tracked by participants in real time
> > and much faster than
> > conscious interpretive processes would allow for. We articulate a
> > model for the situated,
> > distributed, and embodied production and use of semiotic
> resources in
> > the course of
> > situated communication as integral part of ongoing events without
> > privileging language,
> > and concretize the proposed model with episodes from a database of
> > extended video
> > recordings featuring students learning through design activities. We
> > bring together the
> > idea of situated communication as a dialectical unit and as layered,
> > distributed
> > representation into a broader framework of human activity. Any
> moment
> > in space and
> > time is analyzed in terms of one, dialectical unit of analysis of
> > activity, which integrates
> > both conscious (motive, goals) and unconscious aspects (conditions)
> > of human agency.
> >
> >
> > In: Focus on Cognitive Psychology Research ISBN
> 1-59454-634-7
> > Editors: Michael A. Vanshevsky, pp.237-261 (c) 2006 Nova
> > Science Publishers, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3-May-07, at 9:00 PM, minati panda wrote:
> >
> > Hi Julian and Phil,
> > Thanks. These will be of great help to us.
> > Minati
> >
> >
> > On 5/3/07, Phil Chappell <philchappell@mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Baldry and Thibault's work, which Jay Lemke alludes to, offers
> >> methodological ideas that I find really useful in classroom
> >> "discourse" analysis. They cite four criteria for attributing
> >> semiotic significance on a particular bodily act.
> >>
> >> 1. Semiotic significance of a particular part of the body
> involved in
> >> the act. Facial gestures usually involve semiosis of affect;
> spatial
> >> distance with power and hierarchy (social); and posture with
> personal
> >> defence.
> >>
> >> 2. Bodily action links cross-modally with other semiotic aspects of
> >> the discourse event/activity, such that meaning is created on the
> >> basis of these co-contextualising relations.
> >>
> >> 3. Such bodily actions are ascribed the status of dialogic acts
> >> rather than behvioural units. The authors use the gesture of
> smiling
> >> here to show a syntagmatic relation of Bodily Act^Response to
> Bodily
> >> Act - a dialogic exchange relation.
> >>
> >> 4. A bodily act can function as a semiotic feature having semantic
> >> commonalities (Jay's covariate semantic relationships) across
> >> modalities within the same discourse event/activity..."formally
> >> distinct events elements in a text are linked on the basis of their
> >> belonging to a common semantic class" (p. 179). This would
> equate to
> >> cohesion if doing a purely linguistic analysis of the event. I'm
> >> finding it an incredibly interesting lens through which to gaze at
> >> classroom video/audio-taped data.
> >>
> >> Of course, the book goes much farther than this, with sections on
> >> analysing web pages and film texts and genres.
> >>
> >> Baldry, & Thibault 2006, Multimodal transcription and text
> analysis:
> >> a multimedia toolkit and coursebook, Equinox, Oakville, CT.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Phil
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 03/05/2007, at 9:51 PM, Michael A. Evans wrote:
> >>
> >>> Julian,
> >>>
> >>> All of these sound wonderful - if you can send citations,
> links, or
> >>> copies
> >>> of the articles and issues you mention, I'd be very
> >>> appreciative...I'm going
> >>> to ask my math ed colleague if he knows about the working group on
> >>> gesture
> >>> and embodied cognition in PME because this is one definite line of
> >>> analysis
> >>> in my work...
> >>>
> >>> Along the embodied cognition lines, a piece by Michael Anderson
> >>> made an
> >>> interesting (though far from complete) attempt to establish points
> >>> where
> >>> embodied cognition and situated cognition become
> >>> intertwined...hopefully,
> >>> the references you send will fill in more dots...here's the
> >>> reference (and
> >>> I'd be happy to forward a copy if needed):
> >>>
> >>> Anderson, M.L. (2003). Embodied cognition: A field guide.
> Artificial
> >>> Intelligence, 149, 91-130...
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> Michael~
> >>> --
> >>> ____________________________________
> >>> Michael A. Evans
> >>> Assistant Professor
> >>> Instructional Design & Technology Program
> >>> School of Education
> >>> Virginia Tech
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Julian Williams <julian.williams@manchester.ac.uk>
> >>>> Reply-To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >>>> Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 09:41:18 +0100
> >>>> To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >>>> Cc: <andreas.koukkoufis@manchester.ac.uk>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Analyses of gesture & speech
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael/Minati
> >>>>
> >>>> There is a journal issue of RELIME (special issue editor Luis
> >>>> Radford)
> >>>> just out
> >>>> on semiotics and culture: Andreas Koukkoufis and I have a paper
> >>>> about use of
> >>>> manipulatives (gesture and speech) in teaching about integers
> >> through
> >>>> games/RME
> >>>> method - plus there is a special issue of Ed Stud in Maths (ESM)
> >>>> under review
> >>>> on gesture and multimodality (eds Edwards Arzarello, Radford) and
> >>>> we have a
> >>>> paper in that too. There are some conference papers in procs from
> >>>> PME 26
> >>>> (Melbourne) in the Working group on gestures and embodied
> >>>> cognition: the ESM
> >>>> issue largely comes formthat workign group.
> >>>>
> >>>> You could also look for Radford in ESM
> >>>>
> >>>> I could send papers to people who want them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Julian
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Quoting minati panda <pandam66@gmail.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Michael,
> >>>>> I would like to know more about your work. I work on folk
> >>>>> mathematics.
> >>>>> Currently, I am working with Mike on folk games where we are
> >>>>> using both
> >>>>> discourse analysis and semiotic analysis. Will be happy to read
> >>>>> more about
> >>>>> your work/querries.
> >>>>> Minati
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 5/2/07, Michael A. Evans <mae@vt.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wow, Jay - this is wonderful stuff! Once a draft paper gets its
> >>>>>> legs later
> >>>>>> in the summer, I'd be happy to share with the list (for those
> >>>>>> who might be
> >>>>>> interested in this type analysis as well)...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Michael~
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> ____________________________________
> >>>>>> Michael A. Evans
> >>>>>> Assistant Professor
> >>>>>> Instructional Design & Technology Program
> >>>>>> School of Education
> >>>>>> Virginia Tech
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Jay Lemke <jaylemke@umich.edu>
> >>>>>>> Reply-To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> >> <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >>>>>>> Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 21:33:17 -0400
> >>>>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Analyses of gesture & speech
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You have already been given some good leads in this area. In
> >>>>>>> general,
> >>>>>>> multimodal semiotic analysis, which incorporates discourse
> >>>>>>> analysis
> >>>>>>> as one component, is widely recognized as the next step in the
> >>>>>>> evolution of DA, which was never intended to ignore activity
> >>>>>>> and the
> >>>>>>> context of situation, but until fairly recently there have not
> >>>>>>> been
> >>>>>>> analyses of visual images, gesture and movment, music, etc.
> >>>>>>> that were
> >>>>>>> both "semantically aware", i.e. linked to meaning, and
> >> compatible
> >>>>>>> enough with linguistic analysis of meaning to be combined.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Some of the early pioneers of linguistic DA, like Gunther
> Kress
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> Theo van Leeuwen, write mainly about multimodal or multimedia
> >>>>>>> analysis today. Paul Thibault and Anthony Baldry have
> developed
> >>>>>>> systems for multimedia corpus analysis and multimodal
> >>>>>>> transcription
> >>>>>>> based on the principles of the earlier linguistic discourse
> >>>>>>> analysis.
> >>>>>>> There is a conference on linguistic DA and multimodal
> >> analysis in
> >>>>>>> Helsinki in July (google along with the organizer, Eija
> >>>>>>> Ventola), was
> >>>>>>> a broader one on multimodality last year in Pavia, Italty
> >> (google
> >>>>>>> with Anthony Baldry, TICOM) which will issue a volume this
> >>>>>>> year. Adam
> >>>>>>> Kendon, another pioneer of gesture analysis, spoke at that
> >> one (so
> >>>>>>> did I), and his work for some time now has integrated gesture
> >>>>>>> analysis with the broader situational and activity context.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On my website you can see the syllabus for a course I did last
> >>>>>>> year
> >>>>>>> on video and multimedia analysis, and some earlier versions
> >> of it
> >>>>>>> that showed the integration with discourse analysis (but it's
> >> too
> >>>>>>> much for one semester). Go to homepage, then Student's
> >> Entrance to
> >>>>>>> see course information.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Good luck!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> JAY.
> >>>>>>> www.umich.edu/~jaylemke
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Wanted to thank everyone who forwarded articles, links, and
> >>>>>>>> tips...this
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>> be extremely useful as we analyze video data over the summer
> >>>>>>>> months...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>> Michael~
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> ____________________________________
> >>>>>>>> Michael A. Evans
> >>>>>>>> Assistant Professor
> >>>>>>>> Instructional Design & Technology Program
> >>>>>>>> School of Education
> >>>>>>>> Virginia Tech
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Reply-To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> >>>>>>>>> <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:18:26 +0200
> >>>>>>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Analyses of gesture & speech
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I think it should not be too difficult (cf all the helpful
> >>>>>>>>> comments
> >>>>>> below).
> >>>>>>>>> Capture all your data on a godd audio video, watching the
> >>>>>>>>> number
> >>>>>> count.
> >>>>>>>>> Then using perhaps Sinclair and Coultard analyse the
> >>>>>>>>> language ( which
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>>>> case overlaps beween speakers), then go through it again,
> >>>>>>>>> this time
> >>>>>>>>> matching
> >>>>>>>>> the gestures to thre language. Once you have paired
> >>>>>>>>> language and
> >>>>>> gesture,
> >>>>>>>>> then you have to work out why this should be working
> >>>>>>>>> together: this
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> monstrously time-consuming, but it will get you where you
> >>>>>>>>> want to go.
> >>>>>>>>> Carol
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 29/04/07, Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You may find my review useful for seeing what has been
> >>>>>>>>>> published in
> >>>>>>>>>> the different disciplines referred to on the list:
> >>>>>>>>>> Roth, W.-M. (2002). Gestures: Their role in teaching and
> >>>>>>>>>> learning.
> >>>>>>>>>> Review of Educational Research, 71, 365-392.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> also, in
> >>>>>>>>>> Roth, W.-M., & Lee, Y. J. (2004). Interpreting unfamiliar
> >>>>>>>>>> graphs: A
> >>>>>>>>>> generative, activity-theoretic model. Educational
> Studies in
> >>>>>>>>>> Mathematics, 57, 265-290.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> we cover mathematical cognition, gestures, and CHAT.
> >>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 28-Apr-07, at 8:40 AM, Michael A. Evans wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I was hoping you could point me to resources that critique
> >>>>>>>>>> discourse
> >>>>>>>>>> analysis as an overly linguistic approach to interaction
> >>>>>>>>>> and meaning
> >>>>>>>>>> making...my request is based on a desire to ground
> analysis
> >>>>>>>>>> of video
> >>>>>>>>>> data of
> >>>>>>>>>> children using manipulatives (both physical and
> graphically-
> >>>>>>>>>> based)
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> collaborative efforts...what I want to capture is not
> >> only the
> >>>>>> speech
> >>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>> also gesture of primary students as they try to make sense
> >>>>>>>>>> of basic
> >>>>>>>>>> geometric concepts and principles using manipulatives
> >>>>>>>>>> (tangrams,
> >>>>>>>>>> pentominoes, geoboards, etc)...I'm searching for both
> >>>>>>>>>> philosophical
> >>>>>>>>>> (Vygotsky, Dewey, Pierce, Mead) and methodological
> >>>>>>>>>> references that
> >>>>>>>>>> emphasize
> >>>>>>>>>> the need to examine gesture and speech simultaneously...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As for the latter, I've recently been working with David
> >>>>>>>>>> McNeill and
> >>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>> group at the U. of Chicago (http://
> >>>>>>>>>> mcneilllab.uchicago.edu/), but
> >>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>> hoping
> >>>>>>>>>> I could get more leads from the group...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael~
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael A. Evans
> >>>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor
> >>>>>>>>>> Instructional Design & Technology Program
> >>>>>>>>>> School of Education
> >>>>>>>>>> Virginia Tech
> >>>>>>>>>>
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