[xmca] Re: prolepsis

Thanks Reijo!!
mike

On 5/3/07, Reijo Miettinen <reijo.miettinen@helsinki.fi> wrote:
> Hi
> The following Leontjev's definition of the object of activity
> from the page 52 of "Activity, Consciousness and Personality" is
> often quoted:
>
> "A basic, as sometimes said, a constitutive characteristic of
> activity is its objectivity. Properly, the concept of its object
> (Gegenstand) is already implicitly contained in the very concept of
> activity- The expression "objectless activity" is devoid of any
> meaning. Activity may seem objectless, but the scientific
> investigation of activity necessarily requires discovering its
> object. Thus, the object of activity is twofold: first, in its
> independent existence as subordinating itself and transforming the
> activity of the subject; second, as an image of the object, as a
> product of its property of psychological reflection that is realized
> as an activity of the subject and cannot exist otherwise."
>
> The definition of the object of activity as its true motive is
> presented on the page 62 when the structure of activity is dealt with.
>
> best
> Reijo
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Cole kirjoitti May 4, 2007 kello 7:12 AM:
>
> > Hi Reijo!
> > I am pretty sure you are correct, but could you help us with
> > citations of ANL?
> > Yolu know the work a whole lot better than I do and while I can recall
> > such discussions
> > I have been unable to find them.
> >
> > Very interesting "co-incidences."
> > mike
> > On 5/3/07, Reijo Miettinen <reijo.miettinen@helsinki.fi> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Armando and Mike
> >>
> >> I find Dewey's point of prolepis well compatible with Leontjev's
> >> idea of the double nature of object of activity as given (objective)
> >> and projected (ideal, ladden with meaning). Since the quotation is
> >> from Dewey's book on logic (and chapter on pattern of inquiry) it
> >> might be that Dewey here underlines specifically that the object is
> >> an object of inquiry ( or epistemic object). But dewey attributes
> >> the property of being oriented to future to all concept and even to
> >> tools. Meanings express human purposes - what to do with (or
> >> transform) an object. What is interesting in the citation is what
> >> might be called object-means transition or dialectics: in a new
> >> situation the results of prior inquiry are used as a means of
> >> getting new knowledge (of the new object of inquiry). This might be
> >> interpreted in terms of mediation.
> >>
> >> To Armando's question, i understand that an object of activity is a
> >> contradictory unity of real (given, objective) and ideal (having
> >> meaning, projected). Of course an object of activity can only exist
> >> in relationship to subject, that is, it is as a part or element of
> >> mediated human activity. But it owes its nature as an object not
> >> only to the subject but also to cultural means by which a subject
> >> relates itself to an object.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Reijo
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Cole kirjoitti Apr 30, 2007 kello 8:35 PM:
> >>
> >> > Hi Armando. I will cc to xmca because the issue is important. I am
> >> > pretty sure that
> >> > Leontiev adopts a view similar to that stated by Dewey, but cannot
> >> > put my hand on the quote. That is, there is a double movement/
> >> > moment with respect to the object/objective of activity, but cannot
> >> > put my hands on the place in Leontiev. I am hoping that Reijo
> >> > will help, or Yrjo, but everyone seems pretty busy.
> >> > mike
> >> >
> >> > On 4/30/07, Armando Perez Yera <armandop@sociales.uclv.edu.cu >
> >> wrote:
> >> > Mike:
> >> > I always establish a difrference between real object and ideal
> >> > object. It is very interesting the idea of Dewey but not only in
> >> > the sense of anticipation. The past and the present of the research
> >> > is always include in the ideal object of research. And also the
> >> > theoretical and epistemological context. The object of activity for
> >> > Leontiev is a real object? In my appreciation it is. That's why I
> >> > dont agree absolutely with Leontiev. The object of activity it is
> >> > defined from the subject of actibivy. What do you thing?
> >> > Armando
> >> > Excuse me for write from another e mail
> >> >
> >> >
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