Hi Eric,
I think it would better to see phylogenetic evolution as a
cultural-historical process mediated by object-oriented human activities.
Culturally historically new forms of activity emerge in and through
individual actions that concretely realize cultural possibilities and
achieve collective motives.
SungWon
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> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: correction RE: [xmca] Reference for ontological and
> phylogeneticlanguagecomparison
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> Michael and Tony:
>
> Thank you for the useful information. What cultural influences would
> produce the phylogentic development?
>
> eric
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> Tony Whitson
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> 01/11/2007 09:39
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> Please respond
> to "eXtended
> Mind, Culture,
> Activity"
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> I inserted "phylogenic" in the wrong place before. It's fixed below.
>
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Tony Whitson wrote:
>
> > What a nice, useful analogy Michael.
> >
> > I'm thinking about how to make it more precisely parallel. The
> (ontogenic)
> > development of language ability in the child could be compared with the
> > (ontogenic) development of a player's football skills (I'm thinking
> > basketball might work better, since -- at least in US "gridiron"
football
> --
> > most players on the field have specialized roles not requiring as great
a
> > range of versatile skills as in basketball [IMHO: a defensive left guard
> > might think otherwise]). So, the development of a [basketball] player's
> > skills would not recapitulate the (phylogenic) development of the game
> itself. Skills
> > that might have had value in the game as it was played in the early
> history
> > of the game might have no value for players today, and would not be part
> of
> > a developmental stage that today's players go through on their way to
> > development of skills they use today.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> On
> > Behalf Of Wolff-Michael Roth
> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:22 AM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Cc: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] Reference for ontological and phylogenetic
> > languagecomparison
> >
> > A CHAT perspective built on the dialectic of individual and
> > collective, the person realizes cultural possibilities available to
> > any one else. From this perspective, children grow up in a different
> > material context, hearing different utterances in the context of
> > different situation. This would lead to the contention that ontogeny
> > does not recapitulate phylogeny, much in the same way that a present
> > day football game would not recapitulate the first football game ever
> > played or its precursor. (The referent of "football" can be taken the
> > British or American way).
> > Michael
> >
> > On 11-Jan-07, at 6:46 AM, ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dan I. Slobin has an article, "From Ontogenesis to phylogenesis: what
> > can
> > child language tell us about language evolution?" that appears in IN
> > the
> > j. Langer, S.T. Parker edited volume, "BIology and Knowledge.
> >
> > The questions he poses in the article are: Does linguistic ontogeny
> > recapitulate phylogeny?, Does linguistic diachrony recapitulate
> > ontogony?
> > OD children create grammatical forms?
> >
> > good read but not a CHAT perspective but rather biologicaly based.
> >
> > eric
> >
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