Martin--
Is there ANY way you could have your class interact with us about segement
of LSV from your class to
push the issue of bilngualism here on xmca?
mike
On 10/19/06, David Preiss <davidpreiss@puc.cl> wrote:
>
> Please, don't feel ashamed for making an opinion, Martin! Maybe you are
> totally right and I can see that you have an interesting point.
> And, yes. Vygotsky has been fully translated to Spanish by Visor, in
> wonderful and somehow expensive editions. Where would you be teaching?
> David
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] En
> nombre de Martin Packer
> Enviado el: Jueves, 19 de Octubre de 2006 19:01
> Para: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Asunto: Re: [xmca] Unbelievable - & Spanish
>
> Tony,
>
> It's true that I don't find time to stay up to date on the primatology
> literature, so perhaps my enthusiasm for 'unbelievable's' attempt to
> predict
> evolutionary trends from cultural ones was unwarranted. Or perhaps it's
> just
> that I think his predictions aren't so unbelievable, though his view that
> racial prejudice will disappear and only class prejudice will remain
> strikes
> me as overly optimistic.
>
> But rather then draw attention to my ignorance and pessimism, let me
> change
> the subject. Next semester I will be teaching a course on Vygotsky in
> Spanish. (Yes, this will be a ZPD in which the teacher learns as much as
> the
> students. Hopefully.) Can anyone tell me if any portions of the Collected
> Works have been translated into Spanish?
>
> Martin
>
>
> On 10/19/06 10:03 AM, "Tony Whitson" <twhitson@UDel.Edu> wrote:
>
> > Martin,
> > I think the idea of culture affecting biological evolution was
> > commonplace among primatologists at least as early as the 1960s, so I
> > don't think Curry merits too much credit for that.
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Martin Packer wrote:
> >
> >> David,
> >>
> >> That is indeed one way of thinking about Vygotsky's view of the
> influence
> of
> >> culture on biology. But I was referring to phylogenesis, not
> ontogenesis.
> >> This prediction for the year 3000 is undeniably rather wacky, but it
> does
> >> have the merit of recognizing the impact of culture on human biological
> >> evolution.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/18/06 9:28 PM, "David Preiss" <davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am not so sure, Martin, this is a fair comparison. For Vygotskty
> >>> the way culture shapes biology is by means of the internalization of
> >>> tools and symbols. For this guy, what culture does is triggering
> >>> changes in our sexual preferences and weakening our immune system.
> >>> Very different, I guess.
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 18, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Martin Packer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> But this is precisely an example of a theory in which
> socio-historical
> >>>> evolution is seen as shaping biological evolution, no? As David
> >>>> (Kellogg)
> >>>> said a couple of days ago:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I think that Vygotsky's position on the connection between
> >>>>> learning and
> >>>>> development, and also the connection between ontogenesis and socio-
> >>>>> historical
> >>>>> development, and even the connection between socio-historical
> >>>>> development and
> >>>>> biological evolution is that all of these things are indeed
> >>>>> linked, but
> >>>>> nevertheless distinct. Linked but distinct.
> >>>>
> >>>> Martin
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/18/06 6:02 PM, "David Preiss" <davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I wonder if the guy REALLY thinks this or is just seeking publicity.
> >>>>> I am astonished how many evolutionary theories make it to the press
> >>>>> these days. What is making these theories so fashionable is beyond
> my
> >>>>> understanding. Is like a postmodern, late capitalism state of mind
> >>>>> Any guesses?
> >>>>> David
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 18, 2006, at 9:55 AM, bb wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Humanity may split into two sub-species in 100,000 years' time as
> >>>>>> predicted by HG Wells, an expert has said.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of
> >>>>>> Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass
> >>>>>> to emerge. "
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---------------
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the year 2525
> >>>>>> If man is still alive....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From: "Mike Cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> Date: October 14, 2006 9:55:13 PM GMT-04:00
> >>>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] interweaving
> >>>>>>
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