I think CS Peirce would have something to say on this matter. Though I'm
not sure what.
But something to talk about is also presupposed in discourse.
Andy
At 10:01 PM 14/10/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>Could the following be taken as a rough synonym for joint mediated
>activity, Bill? "In the co-construction of a text, the smallest building
>block is the Move, for example a "question" or an "answer." However, it is
>the Exchange - in which such reciprocally-related moves combine - that
>constitutes the minimal unit of spoken discourse." I am pushing toward the
>issue of meaning making in my own odd way. mike
>On 10/14/06, bb <xmca-whoever@comcast.net> wrote: > > Thanks Mike, those
>background texts are very helpful, and I appreciate the > time you have
>taken to locate them, and reproduce them here. > > While on travel, I've
>been reading closely Gordon Well's 1996 paper in MCA > and I can see this
>metaphor of interweaving providing a visual for the way > sequences and
>episodes of communication, while beginning and ending, > contribute to the
>continuitiy of conversations, of texts, much as fibers > begin and end
>while making up a continuous thread (and communication on xmca > certainly
>can be considered supporting data that is in our faces, which I > will
>exploit in a moment). > > To pursue what is relational with communication,
>drawing upon Halliday and > Hasan, there is a taxonomy of how reference is
>made in text -- with > reference being one form of relation, typically
>unidirectional. > > For example, for me to now Address Andy's claim that
>writing with a > relational lexicon is the use of "motherhood" words is to
>make a reference > from this posting before you to that of Andy's -- and
>that of Andy's does > not reference this posting, having preceeded it in
>time, and without > anticipation for this posting. My posting is in
>relation to Andy's -- and > taking Michaels post in perspective, both are
>constitutive of a greater > textual whole. The full exchange: Andy's
>post, my response, Andy's > response, and this follow-up is an instance of
>a sequence of moves in which > those of Andy and mine are mutually
>(reciprocally) constitutive, each > contributes to making the next, as
>each is in response and in reference to > the other, i.e. in relation to
>the other. Gordon writes: > > "In the co-construction of a text, the
>smallest building block is the > Move, for example a "question" > or an
>"answer.'" However, it is the Exchange -in which such >
>reciprocally-related moves combine-that > constitutes the minimal unit of
>spoken discourse." (p. 78) > > Does this make sense? > > bb > > > >
>-------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Mike Cole"
><lchcmike@gmail.com> > > What follows are raw materials that are the
>beginning of a response to > bill > > barowy's inquiry involving the use
>of the metaphor of interweaving in > > discussions of persons, actions,
>agency, situatedness, etc. > > > > I do not come to this discussion as a
>philosopher, let alone a Marxist > > scholar and dialectician. To some
>this would automatically exclude me > from > > any serious > > discussion
>of cultural historical activity theory. I am an auto-didact > in > > these
>matters, coming to them through an odd pathway derived from > American > >
>pragmatism, > > via behaviorism and skinner (of easy to trash fame) and
>experimental > > psychology of learning. It was issues of cultural
>variation and > processes of > > development that led me to chat long
>after I worked with Luria. > > > > But perhaps consideration of the
>following statements by three scholars > who > > I take to be, on the
>surface at least, as markedly different from each > other > > as one could
>hope to find, both in their disciplinary allegencies, the > > empirical
>phenomena they studied, and their philosophies of science. > What > >
>strikes me is the similarities in their intuitive efforts to deal with >
>the > > heterogeneity of the constituents of human >
>experience/nature/consciousness, > > the issue of relations of individual
>elements to their > > putative wholes, continuity/discontinuity, and the
>necessity for the > study > > of such phenomena over time. > > > > I will
>try to return to the specific text under discussion later this > > weekend
>if I can make it through the 101 spotted promotion files that I > am > >
>privileged to read and comment on about this time of year. > > > > So,
>here are the meditations, for your consideration > > mike > > >
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >
>The world is full of partial stories that run parallel to one another, > >
>beginning and ending at odd times. They mutually interlace and interfere >
>at > > points, but we cannot unify them completely in our minds. In
>following > your > > life-history, I must temporarily turn my attention
>from my own. Even a > > biographer of twins would have to press them
>alternately upon his > reader's > > attention. It follows that whoever
>says that the whole world tells one > story > > utters another of those
>monistic dogmas that a man believes at his risk. > It > > is easy to see
>the world's history pluralistically, as a rope of which > each > > fibre
>tells a separate tale; but to conceive of each cross-section of > the > >
>rope as an absolutely single fact, and to sum the whole longitudinal >
>series > > into one being living an undivided life, is harder. We have
>indeed the > > analogy of embryology to help us. The microscopist makes a
>hundred flat > > cross-sections of a given embryo, and mentally unites
>them into one > solid > > whole. But the great world's ingredients, so far
>as they are beings, > seem, > > like the rope's fibres, to be
>discontinuous cross-wise, and to cohere > only > > in the longitudinal
>direction. Followed in that direction they are > > many.(William James,
>*Lecture 4 Pragmatism - the one and the Many)* > > > > I'll tell you what
>I like to think about: sometimes I like to think of > a > > rope. The
>fibers that make up the rope are discontinuous; when you > twist > > them
>together, you don't make them continuous, you make the thread > >
>continuous. . . . even though it may look in a thread as though each
>of > > those particles are going all through it, that isn't the
>case. That's > > essentially the descriptive model. . . . Obviously, I
>am not talking > about > > the environment. I am not talking about inside
>and outside. I am > talking > > about the conditions of the
>system (quoted in McDermott, 1980, p. > 14‑15). > > > > > > Each of
>these children was seen to engage in a great many behavior > episodes > >
>a day]; the number of things a child did in a day, according to our >
>criteria > > of episodes, varied approximately from 500 to 1,300. . .
>. Most of the > > episodes did not occur in isolation. Behavior was more
>often like the > > interwoven strands of a cord than like a row of blocks
>in that the molar > > units often overlapped. . . . Most of the
>overlapping was a matter of > the > > intersection of the whole of a short
>episode and a relatively small part > of > > a longer one. . . . The
>behavior continuum was cord‑like, too, in the > sense > > that
>overlapping episodes often did not terminate at the same time but > >
>formed an interwoven merging continuum (Barker and Wright, 1966, p. >
>464). > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Mike
>Cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
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