Yes and, sometimes words are confusing, not supporting.
It seems to me, that Seth's article creates competition about having
read the right lines, having shared the same and right literature.
Unfortunately many Activity researchers like this game of playing: who
is the best "knower" more than the play I prefer: who is good in playing
together with people, who is creating ZPD's, who invites to the next
workshop, rally or conference.
So, dear Vesna, I am in doubt, - if this is an intellectual game we are
playing on this list. - or if the list tries new roads toward new Zpd's.
Nobody knows the ZPD's of tomorrow, but I will be happy to meet you there.
Volker
Lois Holzman skrev:
> Yes, I have thought about this. As you, Vesna, know, I think of the zoped as
> something people create together, which is a view you and I share. Can we
> see this in the examples that are the focus of this current conversation?
> I'm going to look.
> Lois
>
>
>> From: "zdravo" <zdravo@EUnet.yu>
>> Reply-To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:37:33 +0200
>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Playfully Answering Ana--
>>
>> Ana, thanks for your conversations. I will put some questions. Could our
>> talking about Zoped from CHAT perspective, be or become Zoped in itself?
>> Have you ever thought about that?
>> Vesna
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ana Marjanovic-Shane" <ana@zmajcenter.org>
>> To: <mcole@weber.ucsd.edu>; "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
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>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Playfully Answering Ana--
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>>
>>> Thanks, Mike,
>>> I was not sure -- :-)
>>>
>>> I think you asked a very important question about play and zone of
>>> proximal development. One of the problems we have is that "play" (even
>>> if we talk only about fantasy play, or dramatic play, or role play, or
>>> pretend play -- all various names for the roughly the same phenomenon)
>>> is not understood the same by various people. Despite an extensive study
>>> by Elkonin which builds on Vygotsky, and a half a dozen people who study
>>> play from the CHAT perspective, there are still many unknowns.
>>> For instance:
>>> Is it ONE phenomenon that we are talking about?? There are many
>>> definitions, some of them incompatible with each other.
>>> Many episodes in literature, like the one by V. Paley of Franklin, are
>>> impressionistic stories taken by teachers or even researchers -- which
>>> filter out many details thought not to be important for understanding
>>>
>> play.
>>
>>> There is a large body of research on play in this country and in English
>>> in general, by people who have never heard of Vygotsky or cultural
>>> historical activity theory. While they are fascinating in their own
>>> right, it is sometimes clear that what the authors are observing misses
>>> out features needed to be known by someone who would want to find out
>>> weather there might be a possibility of the zone of proximal development
>>> taking place...
>>> Fourth, the generally accepted definitions of the ZPD - and
>>> interpretations like the one we have by Seth, are based on very
>>> different type of activities (academic testing, or at least an academic
>>> dialogue between an adult and a child) than play - weather spontaneous
>>> or guided, weather by children only or including adults.
>>> And finally, I think that looking at isolated episodes cannot is
>>> insufficient. Since, by definition, ZPD is a construction zone, a time
>>> of dynamic changes where everything is "up in the air", a longer period
>>> of time and more play and non play observations should be made on a
>>> child in order to be able to make any decisive conclusions about that
>>> child's position in her/his ZPD.
>>>
>>> But this is definitely one of the most important areas of further study.
>>> We do need a solid theoretical connection between play and play like
>>> activities on one hand and academic learning and development
>>> (intellectual, emotional, personal etc) on the other.
>>> Ana
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Cole wrote:
>>>
>>>> That was a chapter from Elkonin that appeared in
>>>> Journal Russian East European Psych, 2005, vol 43, NO1
>>>> All of Psych of play is there I think.
>>>> mike
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