The philosophical foundations laid by LSV, ANL & Co., are
"counter-intuitive". The impression of being an individual, looking at
images projected on to a little screen inside our heads, is a really
powerful illusion. The idea of we individuals, making decisions which
determine the course of our lives, against a "background" of society,
is also a compelling illusion, an illusion which is the product of the
conditions we are living today.
What you are suggesting is firstly to ditch the philosophical concept
of subjectivity by using the word "subjectivity" to mean individual
consciousness, and ditch the concept of philosophical activity by
denoting activity as "inter-personal." So right away it is hard to
even discuss the subject, because we have lost the hard-won concepts
on which the CHAT tradition has rested, and adopted instead the system
of concepts on which individualist philosophy is founded.
Everyone is prepared to accept that "individuals are influenced by
their social environment". A scale from 0 to 100% is fine, and let's
all agree that the truth is somewhere in the middle. But this is not
the level of thinking that attracted me to CHAT, and has kept me
listening to your debates, often lurking it is true, for almost a
decade. I can get that anywhere.
Andy
At 01:29 AM 1/11/2005 -0500, you wrote:
Andy,
why do you think that that the mediation is discounted if you talk
about subjectivity and inter-personal processes on a continuum?
Ana M-S
Andy Blunden wrote:
The problem is, IMHO, that once we define the relevant
structure as
inter-individual and intra-individual, we have moved away
from the
insights which have given the CHAT tradition its great strength.
This
posing of the problem makes the individual the basic unit of
analysis
and discounts the existence of mediation (i.e. the "CH" part of
CHAT)
at a fundamental level. Personally, I think this is the wrong
way to
go to find a solution to the objectivist tendencies in CHAT.
Andy
At 08:11 PM 31/10/2005 +0000, bb wrote:
Further, subjectivity is a continuum of
inter-individual to
intra-individual processes (thus allowing for in-the-head
processes
such as memory and attention, as well across-the-heads
processes
such as communication?), supporting the claim that "This
approach
therefore helps to ascertain the agentive role of
individual
processes and of human subjectivity within a profoundly
social,
transactional, and object-related ontology of human life."
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