>
hi all -- i'll have Leont'ev 1981 later today
(text was loaned out) and will post his
description of operations then.
sorry for the delay.
s
>Hi Eric,
>
>
>If Steve is able to post the snippet on
>operations, it might be worthwhile re-thinking
>your pie-baking vignette vis-a-vis actions and
>operations ;-)
>
>Phil
>
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> Thank you much Steve upon the urging of Mike to
>provide more kernels for mulling over. I am
>sensing in the provided nuggets from Leontiev
>that there is a series of circles being studied.
>Actions would be the inside (when performing a
>task such as peeling apples for a pie one may
>perform this with a knife others may choose a
>special 'peeler'). Operations would be of a
>greater level of importance and so of an outer
>more ring (when baking a pie it is important to
>put the crust in before the filling). Then
>outside of that would be the overall unit of
>activity (baking a pie). This specific unit of
>activity could beww analysed in the home
>setting, at a restaurant, or say at school in a
>home ec class. Depending on the location there
>may be more cirlces/levels for analysis.
>
>
>
>whadaya think?
>
>eric
>Steven Thorne <sthorne@psu.edu>
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>07/07/2005 12:25 AM AST
>Please respond to xmca
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>To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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>Subject: Re: [xmca] operation, action, activity
>
>hi all -- in response to Mike's request, here
>are statements from AN Leont'ev describing
>levels of activity.
>
>
>Leont'ev summarizes the hierarchy of activity this way:
>
>"in the general flow of activity that makes up
>higher, psychologically mediated aspects of
>human life, our analysis distinguishes, first,
>separate (particular) activities, using their
>energizing motives as the criterion. Second, we
>distinguish actions-the processes subordinated
>to conscious goals. Finally, we distinguish the
>operations, which depend directly on the
>conditions under which a concrete goal is
>attained."
>(A. N. Leont'ev 1981: 64-5).
>
>
>a few more quotations below -- levels in ALL CAPS.
>
>
>ACTIVITY
>'Activity' is the broadest level process within
>the hierarchy and is always connected to a
>motive, though in some cases, the motive may not
>be consciously realized by the actor or
>actor-collective.
>
>"we always deal with specific activities Š and
>each Š answers to a specific need of the active
>agent. It moves toward the object of this need,
>and it terminates when it is satisfied. Š
>Various concrete activities can be classified
>according to whatever features are convenient,
>such as form, means of execution, emotional
>level, temporal and spatial characteristics,
>physiological mechanisms, etc. However, the main
>feature that distinguishes one activity from
>another is its object. After all, it is
>precisely an activity's object that gives it a
>specific direction. In accordance with the
>terminology I have proposed, an activity's
>object is its real motive. Of course, the motive
>can be either material or ideal. The main point
>is that some need always stands behind it."
>(A. N. Leont'ev 1981: 59)
>
>
>ACTION
>
>
>"The basic 'components' of various human
>activities are the actions that translate them
>into reality. We call a process an action when
>it is subordinated to the idea of achieving a
>result, i.e. a process that is subordinated to a
>conscious goal'.
>(A.N. Leont'ev 1981: 59-60)
>
>... when a concrete process-internal or
>external-unfolds before us, from the point of
>view of its motive, it is a human activity, but
>in terms of subordination to a goal, it is an
>action or a chain of actions. At the same time,
>an activity and an action are genuinely
>different realities Š One and the same action
>can be instrumental in realizing different
>activities.
>(A. N. Leont'ev 1981: 61-2)
>
>
> all excerpts are from: Leont'ev, A.N. 1981.
>'The problem of activity in psychology' in J. V.
>Wertsch (ed.). The Concept of Activity in Soviet
>Psychology. Armonk, N.Y.: Sharpe.
>
>steve
>
>
>
>Does anyone have, from Engestrom's book or the
>Leontiev article in Wertsch, or....... a
>succinct statement of
>the three level struclture of activivity a la
>Leontiev and if so would you please post?
>mike
>On 7/6/05, ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org <ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org> wrote:
>Mike;
>
>That is quite a tidy little package to unpack.
>Those individual units of activity also combine
>to form the gestalt of the work goal. But I am
>still confused because in the quote Leontiev
>refers to actions and operations and then at the
>very end he is stating that analysis should
>revolve around the unit of activity. The units
>of activity that Leontiev refers to are indeed
>what need to be studied when analyzing the
>development of a person's work (insert academic)
>skills, but do operations and actions combine to
>form the unit of activity? And finally, how
>does the interplay of culture decide that new
>worker's competence?
>
>eric
>
>Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
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>To: Mike Cole <mcole@ucsd.edu>, "eXtended Mind,
>Culture, and Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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>Eric-- I have been remiss in not finding a
>statement by Leontiev about levels. There may be
>better ones. I found thisat marxists.org where
>two Leontiev texts are available. There are
>probably better statements, but this is what I
>had
>time to grab. Others might do better. If you
>think about the example in this passage in terms
>of your last example.it might
>be helpful.
>mike
>
>
>
>There is frequently no difference between the
>terms action and operation. In the context of
>psychological analysis of activity, however,
>distinguishing between them is absolutely
>necessary. Actions, as has already been said,
>are related to goals, operations to conditions.
>Let us assume that the goal remains the same;
>conditions in which it is assigned, however,
>change. Then it is specifically and only the
>operational content of the action that changes.
>
>In especially visual form, the non coincidence
>of action and operation appears in actions with
>tools. Obviously, a tool is a material object in
>which are crystallized methods and operations,
>and not actions or goals. For example, a
>material object may be physically taken apart by
>means of various tools each of which determines
>the method of carrying out the given action.
>Under certain conditions, let us say, an
>operation of cutting will be more adequate, in
>others, an operation of sawing; it is assumed
>here that man knows how to handle the
>corresponding tools, the knife, the saw, etc.
>The matter is essentially the same in more
>complex cases. Let us assume that a man was
>confronted with the goal of graphically
>representing some kind of dependences that he
>had discovered. In order to do this, he must
>apply one method or another of constructing
>graphs - he must realize specific operation, and
>for this he must know how to do them. In this
>case it makes no difference how or under what
>circumstances or using which material he learned
>how to do these operations; something else is
>important - specifically, that the formulation
>of the operation proceeds entirely differently
>from the formulation of the goal, that is, the
>initiation of action.
>
>Actions and operations have various origins,
>various dynamics, and various fates. Their
>genesis lies in the relationships of exchange of
>activities; every operation, however, is the
>result of a transformation of action that takes
>place as a result of its inclusion in another
>action and its subsequent "technization." A
>simpler illustration of this process may be the
>formation of an operation, the performance of
>which, for example, requires driving a car.
>Initially every operation, such as shifting
>gears, is formed as an action subordinated
>specifically to this goal and has its own
>conscious "orientational basis" (P. Ya.
>Gal'perin). Subsequently this action is included
>in another action, which has a complex
>operational composition in the action, for
>example, changing the speed of the car. Now
>shifting gears becomes one of the methods of
>attaining the goal, the operation that effects
>the change in speed, and shifting gears now
>ceases to be accomplished as a specific
>goal-oriented process: Its goal is not isolated.
>For the consciousness of the driver, shifting
>gears in normal circumstances is as if it did
>not exist. He does something else: He moves the
>car from a place, climbs steep grades, drives
>the car fast, stops at a given place, etc.
>Actually this operation may, as is known, be
>removed entirely from the activity of the driver
>and be carried out automatically. Generally, the
>fate of the operation sooner or later becomes
>the function of the machine.
>
>Nonetheless, an operation does not in any way
>constitute any kind of "separateness," in
>relation to action, just as is the case with
>action in relation to activity. Even when an
>operation is carried out by a machine, it still
>realizes the action of the subject. In a man who
>solves a problem with a calculator, the action
>is not interrupted at this extracerebral link;
>it finds in it its realization just as. it does
>in its other links. Only a "crazy" machine that
>has escaped from man's domination can carry out
>operations that do not realize any kind of
>goal-directed action of the subject.
>
>Thus in the total flow of activity that forms
>human life, in its higher manifestations
>mediated by psychic reflection, analysis
>isolates separate (specific) activities in the
>first place according to the criterion of
>motives that elicit them. Then actions are
>isolated - processes that are subordinated to
>conscious goals, finally, operations that
>directly depend on the conditions of attaining
>concrete goals.
>The "units" of human activity also form its
>macrostructure. The special feature of the
>analysis that serves to isolate them is that it
>does so not by means of breaking human activity
>up into elements but by disclosing its
>characteristic internal relations. These are the
>relations that conceal transformations that
>occur as activity develops. Objects themselves
>can become stimuli, goals, or tools only in a
>system of human activity; deprived of
>connections within this system they lose their
>existence as stimuli, goals, or tools. For
>example, a tool considered apart from a goal
>becomes the same kind of abstraction as an
>operation considered apart from the action that
>it realizes.
>
>Investigation of activity requires an analysis
>specifically of its internal systemic
>connections.
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