[xmca] Ilyenkov Discussion Group: 7/11-9/11

From: Kristen R. Clark (kristen@webleaf.com)
Date: Thu Jun 30 2005 - 16:45:57 PDT

Dear XMCA-ers - All are invited to join a book discussion seminar on
Chapter Five of Evald Ilyenkov's "Dialectics of the Abstract and the
Concrete in Marx's Capital". We are especially pleased that Peter
Moxhay will be our seminar facilitator. Peter is a translator of
Ilyenkov and Davydov and currently directs a pilot math program in the
Portland, Maine school system using Davydov-Elkonin teaching methods.
See http://www.theoreticallearning.net/about_theoretical_learning.html.
Some xmca'ers may remember Peter from the 2003 on-line xmca course on
CHAT, which he actively participated in, and facilitated the component
on Davydov.

WHEN: The discussion group will commence on Monday July 11 and last
through Sun Sept 11.

WHAT: The chapter we are studying, called "The Method of the Ascent from
the Abstract to the Concrete in Marx's Capital," is divided into eight
parts for discussion over a nine week period.

JOIN THE LIST: The discussion list, "xbdg," is located at

To join xbdg, one must sign up for a user ID on Yahoo. Yahoo ID's are
free and require no commitments. Just go to the above Yahoo group and
click on "join this group." If you need an ID, click on "Don't Have a
Yahoo ID?" and fill in the blanks Yahoo asks for. When signing up for
the group, under "preferences", you may choose to have all posts to and
from xbdg interact directly with your regular e-mail.

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xbdg/> SYLLABUS: The syllabus for Chapter
Five is attached below as both a Word and an Adobe file. It is also
available on xbdg under "files." Also on xbdg, under "links," are
located urls to the on-line version of the reading material, which is
divided into four sections. The entire book is located at

PURPOSE: The purpose of this on-line seminar is to focus in-depth on
what Ilyenkov is saying and how people interpret it. Other more general
discussions may well spin off from there. We encourage such discussions
to spill back to xmca: "an interesting point came up on xbdg, here is a
thought I had ..." etc. may well spur new threads on xmca. We see xbdg
as a kind of adjunct to xmca, where xmca'ers can focus on a particular
reading and discuss it at length and in depth. All other discussions
still belong on xmca as before. At the same time, especially lengthy
individual posts are not encouraged on xbdg, in an effort to keep the
discussion more like a seminar, where many participate. Lurking is

Please join us in our study of this chapter by Ilyenkov (and warmest


- Kristen Clark, xbdg moderator
- Steve Gabosch, assistant moderator









Kristen Radsliff Clark

Doctoral Candidate

LCHC and Department of Communication

University of California, San Diego




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