DAvid-- If I understand correctly the situation is the following:
1. There is some continuing discussion about generalization and abstraction
to the Jurow paper.
2. Phil and others are putting together a language and CHAT reading list,
where the papers will
be posted on XMCA papers for discussion.,
3. Steve, Peter M, Kristen C and others are proposing a reading of Ilyenkov
either here or on a
separate Yahoo group.
At present, Jurow is the focus of actual conversation. I keep wondering
about what the division of
opinion is as it relates to the ideas of Davydov and Vygotsky and hoping for
clarity, but I may not
get what I want ( no big news there!!) :-)
Next I assume we will have several papers posted as a group on papers for
discussion on xmca that are
about language, culture, and activity.
At some point we will learn what the organization of the Ilyenkov discussion
Right now I am down to the last day of the quarter, grant application
deadlines, end of research year
event, etc. I am hoping to see beyond my nose some time early next week.
Others, I gather, are in
analogous states of business.
I hope that helps. Others ammend to taste.
On 6/2/05, David Preiss <email@example.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just lost track of the discussion.
> How many sub-groups do we have and where things will be posted?
> How could I know which paper has to do with what?
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> *From:* Mike Cole [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
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> *Subject:* Re: Talk of courses and discussions
> Phil et al--
> Please identify sxtarting texts and we will make them available in a set
> under the "papers
> for discussion" part of the xmca web page.
> I believe there is a chapter from Ochs and Schiefflin that is quite
> relevant here, but look to
> others for suggestions. I believe a google search of xmca will turn up
> Hasan, Halliday, Bernstein,
> and other relevant figures. And relevant discussion.
> I think it would help, phil, if you would pull together a
> "mini-curriculum" for us to use as common
> tool. The object is more widely share, methinks, than you estimate. But
> finding volunteers to do some
> mediating may be a more difficult task.
> On 6/2/05, Phil Chappell <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> > On 02/06/2005, at 5:35 AM, Ana Marjanovic-Shane wrote:
> > > What I am interested in is developing a CHAT theory of language -- so
> > > all these different ways to look at it as an activity are very
> > > helpful.
> > > Ana
> > Dear Ana, Mike, and All,
> > I'm a little hesitant to go too far here, as my own previous attempts
> > here to sow the seeds of a group object/motive of discussing AT and a
> > theory of language haven't really resulted in much - I often wonder
> > whether any mention of systemics and Michael Halliday results in an
> > impulsive "hit hit the delete" response ;-) And whither Bernstein...
> > But Ana's interest is an interest that many here have, I feel, and it
> > has often been said that the xmca community lacks a fully articulated
> > theory of language, just as the SFL community is often derided for
> > lacking a fully articulate theory of human learning. I'm struggling
> > right now with a study from the SFL "Sydney school" in an attempt to
> > make explicit a pedagogical approach that foregrounds the linguistic
> > features that afford students access to future human activity that they
> > may otherwise be denied. But that is a red herring here.
> > Should anyone here wish to pursue the discussion of a theory of
> > language "for chat", I'd like to offer up the suggestion that we read
> > Gordon Well's paper: The complementary contributions of Halliday and
> > Vygotsky to a 'language-based theory of learning', and I also think
> > that the various ecological views of language may be worthwhile to
> > pursue.
> > So, any takers to assemble a couple of papers? I have an electronic
> > version of Gordon's paper that we will need to get approval to use
> > first.
> > I'll leave it there and hope there may be a couple here interested in
> > making a motive.......
> > Phil
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