Hey lets not forget the interactional sociolinguistics.
andy
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Thorne <sthorne@psu.edu>
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: Way off thread - SLA
>
> hi Mike and all -- yes, if there's interest enough, it would be
> great
> to have a discussion that focused on language and chat (notice the
> slight broadening of the topic to be more inclusive and potentially
> interesting to a greater number of folks -- a tighter concentration
> on SLA and/or bilingualism is also fine). though there's been very
> interesting classical work on language within chat proper (bakhtin,
> volosinov, vygotsky, shpet, and more obliquely ilyenkov), as well
> as
> recent work (gordon wells, jay lemke, r. engestrom, chik collins,
> rommetveit, + some of the applied linguistics Phil mentioned)
> [note:
> these lists are off the cuff not meant to exclusive!], there are
> many
> highly related, and sometimes even explicitly chat linked,
> researchers doing very interesting work that is broadly
> commensurate
> with chat (michael tomasello comes foremost to mind here).
>
> but yes, other than this brief and hopefully encouraging missive,
> we'll save this thread for another time.
>
> steve
>
>
> >Steven, Phil and other SLA advocates. Perhaps we can make this
> line
> >of work one thread in the
> >online CHAT class I am scheuling for December-March next year. As
> >you can see, between the
> >play discussion upcoming (see papers on xmca papers for
> discussion)
> >and discussion of an
> >article from MCA (see xmca discussions) I expect we will be
> >struggling simply to pay attention
> >to that and always-emerging other topics for the next several weeks.
> >mike
> >
> >
> >On Apr 7, 2005 12:27 AM, Steven Thorne
> ><<sthorne@psu.edu>sthorne@psu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >hi Phil and all -- there is indeed a strong and growing strand of
> >applied and cognitive linguistics/SLA work rooted in vygotskian
> and
> >chat frameworks. a colleague (jim lantolf) and i are finishing up
> a
> >book length manuscript for OUP on this very theme. as you note,
> our
> >group here in the US has been active, but as you correctly
> mention,
> >most of our stuff has been praxiological, but not explicitly
> >pedagogical (though of course we strive to "ascend to the
> >concrete"!). in our forthcoming volume, we're trying to address
> this
> >through some chapters that look specifically at concept
> development
> >and the role of mediation, artifacts, and forms of participation
> >that might foster the conditions of possibility (to rob a line
> from
> >foucault) for learning, and potentially, development (i won't
> parse
> >these terms here other than to revisit vygotsky's notion that
> >learning precedes development, and development, especially in
> >late-modern post-vygotskian theorizing, involves resolutions to
> >contradictions > reorganization of mental processes > the
> >dialectical becoming of a new kind of person (possibly in domain
> >specific environments/performances).
> >
> >
> >lastly, i was a member of the old xlchc some years ago and only in
> >the past week or so resubscribed -- why it took me so long is a
> >mystery! but i'm very happy to be back.
> >
> >
> >steve
> >
> >
> >
> >>Sorry, All to open a counter-thread, but I have been doing some
> >>back reading of reviews etc, and came across this intriguing
> >>section of a review of a book devoted to second language (SL)
> >>learning and linguistic form and meaning (see below). I was
> >>intrigued by this section of the review (background: the field of
> >>SL "acquisition" is still dominated by psycholinguistic theories
> >>stemming from Chomskyian linguistic theory and conduit metaphors
> of
> >>communication, see Reddy's work of three decades ago). Like some
> >>others (both active and passive list members, based on the member
> >>list Mike mentioned earlier), I have been living the
> contradiction
> >>between the dominant platform in SL research and the one(s) that
> >>are more semiotically based and focused on human interaction and
> >>development. But should we always be in a position where we do
> not
> >>"fully agree" with the prevailing hegemonic views on aspects of
> >>human development when we have such exciting "counter views"
> based
> >>on the interests of many on this list? Views which have spurned
> >>their own debates between, for example, the strong socio-semiotic
> >>and interventionist, though somewhat inaccessible theories of the
> >>Australian SFL group based on Halliday, Martin, etc; the exciting
> >>group within the US that bases its work on sociocultural theory,
> >>albeit criticised for downplaying pedagogy (Lantolf, Wells,
> Thorne,
> >>Kramsch, etc); and the group of educational sociologists in the
> UK
> >>that have expanded and made more accessible the works of, for
> >>example, Bernstein. Apologies for the geographical divides here,
> >>but I am sure it is a little less in your face than religious
> >>analogies.
> >>
> >
> >I'm young in this academic game, and I'd love some pointers on
> ways
> >to foster cross-talk rather than cross!-talk.
> >
> >
> >Phil Chappell
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >Steven L. Thorne
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> >Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
> > and
> >Communication Arts and Sciences
> >Associate Director, Center for Language Acquisition
> >Associate Director, Center for Advanced Language Proficiency
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>
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> Steven L. Thorne
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> Linguistics and Applied Language Studies
> and
> Communication Arts and Sciences
> Associate Director, Center for Language Acquisition
> Associate Director, Center for Advanced Language Proficiency
> Education and Research
> The Pennsylvania State University
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