I'm not generally interested in
"what the Ministry thinks on "Kultur"."
However, if there is audio-visual material that is being distributed for
use in schools that discusses the concepts of "Kulturvolk" and Naturvolk",
I would be interested in learning how those concepts are handled.
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Ana Marjanovic-Shane wrote:
> This website actually sells educational movies. The one you are looking
> at is entitled: "Culture, what is that?"
> The short text under the title translates:
> /"Various concepts of culture in different societies and times are
> discussed. Themes: 1. Kulturpolitik, Literature and Work Culture, 2. Art
> and Kitch, 3. Kulturvolk-Naturvolk-Subkultur, 4. Food, Fashion, sport."
> /
> If you want to know more on what Austrian Ministary of Education Science
> and Culture thinks on "Kultur" -- it would be better to go to their link
> for Culture.
> http://www.bmbwk.gv.at/kultur/index.xml
>
>
> Ana
>
>
>
> Tony Whitson wrote:
>
> > Turning to Google, I see
> >
> > http://medienkatalog.bmbwk.gv.at/kurzbeschreibung2.php?id=60207#top
> >
> > where, for the price of just 6 euros, you can download a 100-minute
> > audio on:
> >
> > *Register Nr.*
> >
> >
> >
> > *Titel*
> >
> > *60207*
> >
> >
> >
> > *KULTUR, WAS IST DAS?*
> >
> > Diskutiert wird der unterschiedliche Kulturbegriff in verschiedenen
> > Gesellschaften und Zeiten. Themen: 1. Kulturpolitik, Literatur und
> > Arbeiterkultur; 2. Kunst und Kitsch; 3.
> > Kulturvolk-Naturvolk-Subkultur; 4. Essen, Mode, Sport.**
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not going to pursue this link (mainly since I don't know German),
> > but it looks frightening from what I can see. It looks like a
> > contemporary, authoritative, anonymous, quasi-official exposition of
> > these ideas from the
> >
> > Austrian "Bundesminiterium fur Bildung, Wissenschaft, und Kultur."
> > Note that this item is under the tag for "Bildung / Schulen"
> >
> >
> >
> > If anybody does pursue this, I would personally be relieved if you
> > could report back that the exposition is more critical and aware than
> > I see any reason to believe from this Web page.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 2:31 PM
> > To: Tony Whitson
> > Cc: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > Subject: Re: naturvolk versus kulturvolk
> >
> >
> >
> > Many thanks!
> >
> > I have found current uses of the terms found through google, in
> >
> > partricular, translations from twikipedia very interesting. I finally
> >
> > thought to look under my nose at Jahoda's great book, Crossroads
> >
> > between culture and mind where he takes up the work of Herder, then
> >
> > von Humboldt, Lazurus and Steinthal, and Wundt, where the idea of volk
> >
> > is developed,
> >
> > then volkgeist, and then the differentiation.
> >
> >
> >
> > In case all of this seems off track to anyone on xmca, Vygotksy and
> >
> > Luria use the
> >
> > terms uncultured or unencultured peoples and cultured peoples in ways
> >
> > that map on to
> >
> > some uses of nature and culture volk in the German thinkers listed on
> >
> > this thread.
> >
> > mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:17:16 -0500, Tony Whitson <twhitson@udel.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Steinmentz writes:
> >
> >> The opposition between Kulturvölker ("cultural" or civilized peoples) and
> >
> >> Naturvölker ("natural" or primitive peoples) became ubiquitous in German
> >
> >> scholarly writing in the second half of the nineteenth century,
> > although the
> >
> >> terms were given varying definitions (compare, for example,
> >
> >> Klemm [1843-1852] and Vierkandt [1896]).
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Klemm, Gustav. 1843--1852. Allgemeine Cultur-Geschichte der Menschheit.
> >
> >> Leipzig: Teubner.
> >
> >> Vierkandt, Alfred. 1896. Naturvölker und Kulturvölker. Leipzig:
> > Duncker and
> >
> >> Humblot.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> fn. 29, p. 50
> >
> >> Steinmetz, George. ""the Devil's Handwriting": Precolonial Discourse,
> >
> >> Ethnographic Acuity, and Cross-Identification in German Colonialism."
> >
> >> Comparative Studies in Society and History 45, no. 1 (2003): 41-95.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >
> >> From: Mike Cole [mailto:mcole@weber.ucsd.edu]
> >
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:25 PM
> >
> >> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >
> >> Subject: naturvolk versus kulturvolk
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Can anyone point me to the origin of the concepts of naturvolk and
> >
> >> kulturvolk
> >
> >> in German thought? I see the notion of volk attributed to Herder, but am
> >
> >> having difficulty finding out where the nature/kultur distinction is
> >
> >> introduced and by whom.
> >
> >> mike
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
>
Tony Whitson
UD School of Education
NEWARK DE 19716
twhitson@udel.edu
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