Report back AFTER translation! :-) There is a lot out there in German
mike
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:44:44 -0500, Tony Whitson <twhitson@udel.edu> wrote:
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> Turning to Google, I see
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> http://medienkatalog.bmbwk.gv.at/kurzbeschreibung2.php?id=60207#top
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> where, for the price of just 6 euros, you can download a 100-minute audio
> on:
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> Register Nr.
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> Titel
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> 60207
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> KULTUR, WAS IST DAS?
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> Diskutiert wird der unterschiedliche Kulturbegriff in verschiedenen
> Gesellschaften und Zeiten. Themen: 1. Kulturpolitik, Literatur und
> Arbeiterkultur; 2. Kunst und Kitsch; 3. Kulturvolk-Naturvolk-Subkultur; 4.
> Essen, Mode, Sport.
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> I'm not going to pursue this link (mainly since I don't know German), but it
> looks frightening from what I can see. It looks like a contemporary,
> authoritative, anonymous, quasi-official exposition of these ideas from the
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> Austrian "Bundesminiterium fur Bildung, Wissenschaft, und Kultur." Note that
> this item is under the tag for "Bildung / Schulen"
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> If anybody does pursue this, I would personally be relieved if you could
> report back that the exposition is more critical and aware than I see any
> reason to believe from this Web page.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 2:31 PM
> To: Tony Whitson
> Cc: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> Subject: Re: naturvolk versus kulturvolk
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> Many thanks!
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> I have found current uses of the terms found through google, in
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> partricular, translations from twikipedia very interesting. I finally
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> thought to look under my nose at Jahoda's great book, Crossroads
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> between culture and mind where he takes up the work of Herder, then
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> von Humboldt, Lazurus and Steinthal, and Wundt, where the idea of volk
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> is developed,
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> then volkgeist, and then the differentiation.
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> In case all of this seems off track to anyone on xmca, Vygotksy and
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> Luria use the
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> terms uncultured or unencultured peoples and cultured peoples in ways
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> that map on to
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> some uses of nature and culture volk in the German thinkers listed on
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> this thread.
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> mike
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> On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:17:16 -0500, Tony Whitson <twhitson@udel.edu> wrote:
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> > Steinmentz writes:
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> > The opposition between Kulturvölker ("cultural" or civilized peoples) and
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> > Naturvölker ("natural" or primitive peoples) became ubiquitous in German
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> > scholarly writing in the second half of the nineteenth century, although
> the
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> > terms were given varying definitions (compare, for example,
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> > Klemm [1843–1852] and Vierkandt [1896]).
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> > Klemm, Gustav. 1843—1852. Allgemeine Cultur-Geschichte der Menschheit.
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> > Leipzig: Teubner.
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> > Vierkandt, Alfred. 1896. Naturvölker und Kulturvölker. Leipzig: Duncker
> and
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> > Humblot.
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> > fn. 29, p. 50
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> > Steinmetz, George. ""the Devil's Handwriting": Precolonial Discourse,
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> > Ethnographic Acuity, and Cross-Identification in German Colonialism."
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> > Comparative Studies in Society and History 45, no. 1 (2003): 41-95.
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> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > From: Mike Cole [mailto:mcole@weber.ucsd.edu]
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> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:25 PM
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> > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
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> > Subject: naturvolk versus kulturvolk
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> >
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> > Can anyone point me to the origin of the concepts of naturvolk and
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> > kulturvolk
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> > in German thought? I see the notion of volk attributed to Herder, but am
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> > having difficulty finding out where the nature/kultur distinction is
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> > introduced and by whom.
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> > mike
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> >
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> >
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