There used to be a link at the LCHC site for a 'ftp'?? site that had an
excellent summary by Gordon Well's of Michael Halliday's work. I have
it somewhere on this machine, and will post it if and when I find it.
Otherwise, if anyone remembers the link (I recall it being revived by
N**e), please post it.
Phil
On Sep 16, 2004, at 4:29 AM, von Brevern Hansjoerg wrote:
> Dear Peter,
>
> thank you for this nice link,
> best regards,
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Smagorinsky [mailto:smago@coe.uga.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:27 PM
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> Subject: Re: Challenge to Christie in school instruction
>
> I know that Gordon Wells has made the Halliday/LSV connection. see
> e.g. http://education.ucsc.edu/faculty/gwells/ScientificConcepts.pdf
>
> Peter
> At 07:20 PM 9/9/2004 +0700, you wrote:
>
> Problem-poster David Kellog asked me to forward this response to the
> list. Not sure I agree that there aren't others who are interested in
> intersections of Halliday and Vygotsky (and of course, Bernstein).
>
> Any takers?
> Phil
>
> Dear Phil:
>
> (Can't seem to get it on XCMA--but I'm not sure anybody besides you
> would be interested as Vygotsky vs. Halliday is a somewhat specialized
> interest....)
>
> One of Christie's concrete recommendations is that classroom genres
> like the "morning news" or "show and tell" should be eliminated, and
> instead children should be given more "structured" genres. She would
> like the "instructional register" to be projected by the "regulative
> register". (Christie [2003], Classroom Discourse Analysis, London:
> Continuum.)
>
> When Hallidayans say things like this, they mean, basically, that
> registers can "project" each other rather the way that a reporting
> clause like "She said" serves to project the reported one "that she
> had a stomachache".
>
> It's true that when a teacher says something like "Listen and repeat"
> we have precisely that kind of projection. It's also true on a larger
> scale: on my desk I have a transcript of a science class in which a
> teacher basically lays out the procedure and the children follow it
> (but the kids do not achieve the desired result and they will have to
> do the "experiment" all over again this Friday!).
>
> It's a highly monologic idea, isn't it? In Bakhtin, even when you are
> using indirect speech there is two way traffic--the projected also
> projects itself onto the projector, as when Dickens describes a
> character in the sort of language that character would have used to
> describe himself.
>
> What bothers Christie about the "morning news" and "show and tell"
> classroom genres is that they allow this kind of two way traffic.
> Instead, she thinks that primary school teaching should be much more
> like secondary school teaching.
>
> I don't know about secondary teaching; at my uni we do primary and
> nothing else. But doesn't this directly infringe Vygotsky's firm
> belief that at different stages of learning there are very different
> kinds of relationships between similar elements (viz. subject and
> object)? Doesn't it even go against the criticism that Mike cites,
> viz, that there have to be different classrooms genres at different
> levels?
>
> David Kellogg
> Seoul National University of Education </blockquote></x-html>
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