Nate, you are probably right ;-) that Dean would move to the right if he
were the nominee. But please note that he moved all the other *leading*
candidates on the democratic ticket way to the left of where they began. I
can appreciate your frustration with progressives, but we are not the
majority of voters, even if every progressive voted. Dean changed the tone
of the campaign and pushed the 'core' of the democratic party to the
foreground, which is why he has gotten so much bad press (according to one
news account, 60% of his press was bad compared to 10% for the other
candidates). The best thing about his campaign, though, has been the
involvement of people in local meet-ups and their further participation in
the campaign process. I would bet that, were Dean to become an "insider," he
would be listening to more lower to middle class people more of the time
than any other president in my lifetime. So you know who has my support,
despite my disagreements with many of his positions and some of the campaign
strategies. I simply trust that he would listen to the base of his support,
even after election day, and his base has people "I care about" who would
serve as a brake on any slide to the right. Judy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N*** [mailto:vygotsky who-is-at nateweb.info]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:54 PM
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> Subject: Re: measuring candidates
>
>
>
> Wrong Eugene. Hitler came to power because the lesser evil was chosen.
>
> http://www.isreview.org/issues/32/draper.shtml
>
>
> I get so tired of this crap. We live in a country where 60% do not vote
> - do not have an honest option to - because of tweedle dee and tweedle
> dum. Then the powers that be throw out scare tactics that are complete
> lies.
>
> If you all were arguing that we should rally behind Kucinich, I could
> understand somewhat, but Dean please. What will happen is Dean will move
> rightward and Bush farther so. Bush will win because months before the
> election he will start bringing troops hope (Dean will lose that issue).
> By contrast, if we put a left of center candidate up, Bush would be
> forced to become moderate. The lesser evil in fact moves the politics
> rightward.
>
> Kind of like the Praxis all over again (sorry could not resist).
>
>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Steve Gabosch [mailto:bebop101@comcast.net]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:21 PM
> >>To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>Subject: Re: measuring candidates
> >>
> >>Nate's comment:
> >>
> >>>My greater point similar to the socialist saying, vote your dreams not
> >>>your fears, is if many of us fall into the left / libertarian camp, why
> >
> > do
> >
> >>>we continue to push for and support right authoratarian candidates.
> >>
> >>... reminds me of something wise Eugene Debs, the early 20th Century
> >>American socialist, said about voting: "It's better to vote
> for what you
> >>want, and not get it, than to vote for what you don't want, and get it."
> >>
> >>- Steve
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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