That is great Andy!!
I am working on making the scan of M Cole's presentation as published in
the abstracts of the Moscow conference, actually readable.
Ana
Andy Blunden wrote:
> Mmm. When I try to re-trace the discussion it gets complicated. First
> off, I asked the list for a critique of Mead from a Vygotsky point of
> view. I was recommended to an article by Michael Glassman, and I
> commented that I did not recognise Glassman's Vygotsky, and I then had
> an extended and comradely discussion with Michael off-line, and it was
> with Michael that I came to a brick wall on the question of
> "mediation". Michael simply did not see a place for the concept of
> mediation, while I cannot understand anything without it! But I don't
> know really how much Michael's view reflected the Dewey/Mead point of
> view, far less that of CHATters.
>
> For Mead, famously, even the relation of self-consciousness ("I") to
> itself is mediated through the sensuous perception of "me", in the
> complex of reactions to I's actions from those around I, sensuously
> united with the feeling of I's body and hearing I's own words. If I
> can only get to know I as me, i.e. me-diated, then obviously I can
> only get to know other self-consciousnesses, with which I have no
> point of direct (unMeadiated) contact, in a med-iated way!
>
> Andy
>
> At 04:29 PM 24/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>
>> Great quote from Hegel, Andy. Sounds just like Vygotsky! :-) It might
>> be interesting if you have the time to pull up some of the prior
>> discussion
>> re mediation and Vygotsky to see how his ideas could be construed if
>> mediation were not at the center of his thinking.
>> mike
>
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