Steve..
Thanks for organizing my response. Very helpful. Sorry it was so long - I was trying to pack 2 weeks of responses into a single message.
Regards,
Victor
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Gabosch
To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: timescale question
Hi Victor,
Thank you so very much for your excellent annotated compilation of posts and explanations from the Hegel discussion. I learned quite a lot from the whole exchange, and this was a perfect way to put it all together. Among other things this discussion nudged me to take a look again at Andy's awesome work on Hegel - which includes a long list of links to relevant files along with his own extensive studies, at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/index.htm.
I couldn't quite absorb your post in e-mail format (although the colors helped a great deal) so I put it in Word and provided some headlines which I include below - they serve as a quick summary of the topics covered. Below that I have attached the Word file I made of your post.
Best,
- Steve
Topics:
***** Hegel is difficult to read and discuss.
***** Issue 1: Hegel as "social psychologist"
***** Have been working with computational social system models.
***** Hegel's take on logic and social relations.
***** Two arguments against the difficulty of certain Idealistic models.
***** We can only explain social development through interactions of individuals.
***** Issue 2: Hegel's logic as providing the link between micro and macro levels of social analysis
***** Hegel built a theory that knowledge is the prime mover of history, and is itself an expression of human social relations. Marx interpreted these notions of Hegel in material terms.
***** Raya Dunyevskaya had some interesting ideas bout Hegel and Marx.
***** The Marxist term "permanent revolution" (a broader philosophical concept than its more recent meaning in the disputes between Stalinists and Trotskyists in the 1920's and 1930's) refers to the grand synthesis of practice and theory.
***** Collective conscious thought does not exist. Conscious thought only exists on the individual level.
***** The Hegelian term Subjective Notion refers to the operation of conscious thought manifested as practical action, as objects. This notion or theory is the "microtheory" of both the Hegelian and Marxist systems.
***** The assertion, negation and "sublation" of logical statements (syllogisms) is the way the concrete is appropriated by thought, where the abstract rises to the concrete.
***** Marx quote on rising from the abstract to the concrete.
***** Vygotsky's work is an important contribution to the general theory of society. It focuses on the "interface" between the microsystem (the processes whereby social life are conceptualized) and the macrosystem (the world of social practice).
***** General Discussion 28/10 to 30/10
***** The dialectical paradigm of Hegel's system.
***** Importance of sublation in logic.
***** Possible combinations of UPI
***** Hegel's concept of the syllogism as a moment of truth
***** Example of sublation in Marx.
***** Marx quote comparing economic categories from different epochs.
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