Re: Space and time in chat

From: Ana Marjanovic-Shane (anamshane@speakeasy.net)
Date: Thu Jul 17 2003 - 14:37:09 PDT


Yrjö ,
I am very interested in this paper.
If you have it in the electronic version, could you e-mail it to me??
If not, my land address is

Ana Marjanovic-Shane
151 W.Tulpehocken St.
Philadelphia, PA 19144

Thanks a lot
Ana

Yrjö Engeström wrote:

> If someone is interested, we (myself, Anne Puonti and Laura Seppänen)
> recently wrote a paper on space and time in a CHAT perspective,
> drawing on findings of three recent empirical studies. The paper
> should come out within a couple of months. Here is the information:
>
> Engeström, Y., Puonti, A. & Seppänen, L. (2003). Spatial and temporal
> expansion of the object as a challenge for reorganizing work. In D.
> Nicolini, S. Gherardi & D. Yanow (Eds.), Knowing in organizations. M.
> E. Sharpe.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Yrjo Engestrom
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, Jul 15, 2003, at 21:49 Europe/Helsinki, Bill Barowy wrote:
>
>> Just time for a brief opinion -- and opinions being like belly
>> buttons i have
>> one too -- I consider space and time to be cultural constructs, as
>> are the
>> tools that make their meaning and measurement (clocks, rulers, etc.).
>> Consequently, Engestrom's CHAT need not be extended in principle, but
>> only
>> more fully explicated with these and related constructs instantiating
>> the
>> element of artifacts, in the manner of Wartofsky. Quick examples are
>> how
>> special relativity and then general relativity systematically
>> reconceptualize
>> space and time over cartesian constructs, how the Internet has broken
>> down
>> space/time barriers to communications, and how print (now more generally
>> "information storage" has extended our memory.
>>
>> But that is not the only element that is explanatory of space and
>> time. In
>> Engestroms's CHAT the category of rules carries the routines, the
>> "scripts"
>> in the Shank an Abelson sense, and, in part, the "synomorphs" in
>> Barker's
>> sense, the contraints and affordances of Gibson (aka Norman) of how
>> humans
>> access, move through, and exploit space and time. Schedules,
>> driving/walking
>> on the right in the US or on the left in the UK, staying on the
>> proper side
>> of the tennis net, and, my favorite example, is the breaking of spatial
>> scripts by skateboarders, who grind on a hand rail and ollie over curbs,
>> steps, and fences.
>>
>> Anyway, apologies for such a compulsive post. But I do recommend
>> highly using
>> Barker's work as a foil in this discussion.
>>
>> bb
>>
>>
>
>
>



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