and interestingly enough, Sara, there are those of us who like it best to
get our hair cut in a barber shop, and yet, for me just to enter into that
terrain is already to have mis-stepped - to have made a faux pas in that COP
where my participation can not be anything but deviant.
so what a lovely example to set us off on a worthy discussion of conditions
of participation
mary
-- Dr. Mary Bryson, Associate Professor, Education, UBC GenTech Project http://www.shecan.com Curriculum Vitae http://www.educ.ubc.ca/faculty/bryson/cv.htmlThe child has no powers of reflection - no second-order thoughts which deal critically with his (sic) own thinkingIn contrast, the adolescent is able to analyze his own thinking and construct theoriesOf course, the girls are more interested in marriage, but the husband they dream of is most often łtheoretical˛, and their thoughts about married life as well take on the characteristics of łtheories˛. Jean Piaget (1958) The growth of logical thinking from childhood to adolescence
---------- >From: "Sara L. Hill" <sara.hill@vanderbilt.edu> >To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >Subject: RE: lA contribution to a discussion of practice/process >Date: Thu, Feb 10, 2000, 9:19 AM >
> Dear All, > > This conversation is particularly important and interesting to me, as I have > been wondering about communities of practice(s) in my own research, and > attempting to, in a methodological sense, articulate them. What I've been > observing in this conversational thread is blowing me away, because the > discussion has provided insight into this issue of mapping and territory, and > rules, norms, shared and divergent beliefs, etc. Perhaps a COP is negotiated, > a process rather than a thing? Made especially visible when, at certain > junctures there is more than the average disagreement, conflict, difference? I > mean, this conversation is certainly more self-conscious than the everyday > setting of say, the corner barbershop, I don't believe barbers don't stand > around and talk about communities of practice (at least, my father-in-law > certainly doesn't, but maybe there are conversations that barbers have that I > haven't been privy to -- oh no, another study!). But I can imagine that > barbers do talk about customers, what makes a good barber or haircut, fees, > and a bunch of other topics related to their practice. As for my own feelings > about participation/nonparticipation, I have to overcome a lot to get myself > to participate in xmca-- terror of putting my ideas out there for scrutiny, > dislike for such a creepily disembodied mode of expression, and strong desire > to communicate and learn from and with people who are interested/passionate > about mutual subjects. I don't know what the "object" of the xmca listserve > is and I don't recall seeing a mission statement or the equivalent, but I'm > pretty clear what my object(s) are, and they're pretty wide ranging and > complex. > > >>===== Original Message From xmca@weber.ucsd.edu ===== >>Dear xmca-ers, >> >>This morning i realised that every day - let us say - 300 xmca-ers (is that >>appr. the number of inactive members, Eva?) are deleting their messages >>without responding, including 99,99% of the occasions me. Does this idea >>bother me? >>No, it does not in the case i can follow the ungoing discussion, unless >>information is being exchanged about books, conferencemeetings, work and >>researchsituations, meetings with colleagues aboard etc. Like in a (real) >>group discussion the 'silent' members can be satisfied, active listeners, >>and so am i when i am involved (and sometimes even respond). >>But when i can not follow the discussion i get uninterested, thinking 'well >>let us hope for better times, just delete'. >>When does this happen? When there is too much unnecessary jargon in too >>long messages, too little context, too little connection with relevant >>'personal stories' , too little variety in the discussion. >>I am very willing to consider the fact of my getting uninvolved as a >>personal matter, due to restricted interests, difficulty with english >>terminology as a dutch native speaker and my reservedness to active >>participation. And i must say that in general i find this list very >>valuable and informative. >>But now the question is being raised of the limited participation i thought >>that maybe these considerations are not altogether 'personal'. >>I agree with Mary (if i understood you right) that it is worthwile to think >>about conditions in which people do _not_ participate. I just wanted to let >>you know under what conditions i 'drop out'. >> >>Anna >> >> >> >>Mary Bryson wrote >>>when folks hear "communities of practice" and "conditions for >>participation" they >>>seem to forget about conditions for non-participation, the DE-legitimated >>>peripheral practioners. >> >>================================================================= >>Anna Strumphler, e-mail: W.deVries@net.HCC.nl >>Amsteldijk 28 tel.: (31)20-6719906 >>1074 HT Amsterdam >>The Netherlands > > Vanderbilt University & > Partnership for After School Education > New York, N.Y. >
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