My statement concerning "we don't need men at all" is basically a direct
paraphrase of the following excerpt from Mary Bryson's post. One needs to
enquire more carefully as to the source of the divisiveness here:
"I sppose I am less of an optimist about the Daly affair. The "two together"
till death do us part Noah's Ark narrative just seems so blatantly
heterosexist, and I think that is is, in fact, heterosexism that is behind
all the brou-ha-ha (sp?) about Daly's pedagogy. Cuz in fact, we don't "need
each other" and are not "interdependent"."
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: vadebonc who-is-at montana.edu <vadebonc@montana.edu>
To: xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Women and Marxism
>Dear Paul -
>
> I am shocked and saddened by your language: "conniption fits" and
>"'we don't need men at all'" feminists .... although perhaps I shouldn't
>be. Your real feelings - those so pointedly surfacing in this message -
>have really been felt (by me) in the tone of your xmca discussions.
>Shocked that you have felt the need to post them here and saddened by your
>anger. Those truly commited to an open and productive exchange of ideas
>tend to manage to stay away from hurtful personal attacks and wrangle with
>ideas rather than people. I am sorry that you and I have not been able to
>do that. I imagine your ideas are well thought out and interesting. I
>have difficulty hearing you.
>
>In the hopes of a open exchange of ideas that leaves personal attacks
>elsewhere
>
>Jennifer
>
>
>>nate,
>>
>>I don't think that too many of the authors (mainly male) listed in that
site
>>would fall into the reading lists of the more adamant feminists on xmca.
in
>>fact they'd probably throw a conniption fit about the demonstrated
>>subordination of females in those writings. I keep thumping about andy
>>blunden's site, it's really incredible, i mean by far and away the best
>>overall site for philosophy and social issues I've ever seen. His section
>>on liberation epistemology contains the complete texts of most of the
major
>>feminist writers from 1950 through 1990. check out this site:
>>http://werple.net.au/~gaffcam/phil/index.htm.
>>
>>I really think that even such a rad "we don't need men at all" feminist as
>>Mary up in vancouver would have to recognize that he's gotten the key
>>writers -- and the texts are complete!!
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nate <schmolze who-is-at students.wisc.edu>
>>To: xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 5:55 PM
>>Subject: Women and Marxism
>>
>>
>>>Was browsing through Marxist.org and they have a special subject page on
>>>Women and Marxism that some may find interesting.
>>>
>>>http://www.marxists.org/subject/women/index.htm
>>>
>>>nate
>>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>
>Jennifer A. Vadeboncoeur, Ph.D.
>Assistant Professor, Curriculum and Instruction
>Montana State University
>120 Reid Hall, Department of Education
>Bozeman, MT 59717
>Office: (406) 994-6457
>Fax: (406) 994-3261
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