Re: like a Jeopardy question
Ricardo Ottoni (rjapias who-is-at ibm.net)
Mon, 08 Mar 1999 01:11:34 -0300
Well, all indian tribes that were in touch with white-men culture never
(although someone never might say never)were the same - their primitive=20
comunism was bannished, just to point one relevant and definitive=20
change.
=20
Elsa de Mattos wrote:
>=20
> Mary:
>=20
> I thought that maybe we could think in another direction.
> Supose that any kind of understanding implies a relationship. In fact
> understanding is getting in a relationship with something to make meani=
ng
> out of it, or something close to it. Any relationship is not inocuous.
> Getting in a relationship always transform those involved in its dynami=
cs.
> And we can't consider that it is pure invasion ideology because we are
> always changing.
> What I think is that the process of understanding is absolutely linked =
to
> the process of change. We can;'t consider one without the other.
> Elsa
>=20
> De: Mary Bryson <brys who-is-at unixg.ubc.ca>
> Para: xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Data: Domingo, 7 de Mar=E7o de 1999 19:35
> Assunto: Re: like a Jeopardy question
>=20
> >Diane wrote:
> >Anyway,
> >the implication of the message disturbs the HELL out of me:
> >"if you want to understand/know/be "one" with something, try to change=
it"
> >is pure invasion ideology. stuff changes. watch for it. trying to chan=
ge
> >things we don't understand is ludicrous as a responsible practice, I d=
on't
> >care who said it: it's invasion rationalization and is a bad way to th=
ink.
> >bad.
> >if you want to understand something so much that the only thing you
> >can do is change whatever it is, then it can't be what it "is" that is
> >of interest, but what kinds of effects human interventions have on stu=
ff.
> >Back to the Water-Table and Sink or Float games, maybe.
> >
> >So I write back:
> >I am assuming that just walking into a room changes what's happening t=
here,
> >and so any social science research is of necessity always already chan=
ging
> >something as it envisions itslef attempting to understand it. I think =
this
> >quote is about being reflexive concerning the fact that one *is* alway=
s
> >having an efffect. I have been looking to see how far this idea will t=
alk
> >me in thinking about "gender", because it has struck me on numerous
> >occasions, like if I happen to get my hair cut just a bit too short, t=
hat i
> >learn lots about gender that day, or week.
> >
> >Mary
> >
> >Mary Bryson, Associate Professor and UBC Scholar 98/99,
> >Faculty of Education, UBC
> >Principal Co-Investigator: GenTech Project
> >
> >http://www.educ.sfu.ca/gentech/ Researc=
h
> WWWsite
> >http://www.educ.ubc.ca/courses/fww/faculty2.html Netscape Composer
> Tutorial
> >http://www.educ.sfu.ca/gentech/pbl/pbl.html Instructional
> >WWWsite: Tchr Ed
> >http://www.educ.sfu.ca/gentech/gendrsyll.html Instructional
> >WWWsite: Graduate
> >
> >