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De: nate <schmolze who-is-at students.wisc.edu>
Para: XMCA <xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu>
Data: S=E1bado, 6 de Mar=E7o de 1999 15:56
Assunto: ideal
>I was re-reading Peter's paper on ideality which he posted quite
>along time ago and some questions came up.
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>http://www.geocities.com/~nschmolze/toolssi.html
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>I was wondering if the notion of ideality had something to say
>about the recent discussion of constructivism. I am
>particularly thinking of concepts of constructivism, learner
>centered etc being applied in contexts (traditional societies)
>from which the concepts did not originate. I am also thinking
>on the line of Newman and Holzman's differentiation between
>tools in that tool for results are tools that come socially
>reified. Would it be resonable to use the Marxian notion of
>"ideality" to say to look at how concepts such as
>constructivism, learner centered etc. serve as a tool for social
>production of a dominant culture in a "third world context". I
>was curious if ideality was the right conceptual tool for
>looking at this process.
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>Paragraph from Peter's paper:
>"The crucial point is not that tools embody human aims and that
>this is what makes them ideal; the point is that human aims -
>the conscious aims with which humans act to produce what they
>need - are themselves ideal: human aims are nothing but the
>material process and outcome of activity in ideal form. The
>ideal image is =11the object of production=12 (ie the outcome of
>productive activity) converted into (or =11ideally posited=12 as)
>=11an internal image, as a need, as a drive and as purpose=12
>(1977a: 260, quoting from Marx, Grundrisse). The distinction
>between things that are material and things that are ideal is
>not, therefore, a question of what is in the heads of the users
>of such things, but is a fact about how things function in the
>real process of social production - a material (not conceptual
>or semiotic) process which, in its own self-development and
>differentiation, generates an ideal (or semiotic) =11image=12 in the
>form of a relation in which some things (words, pictures, money
>etc) come to stand for other things. This, indeed is the special
>and vital function which ideal forms fulfill in human
>life-activity: they allow the goals, aims, drives, purposes,
>strategies and forms of action and cooperation of social
>humanity to be represented outside of, prior to and
>independently of the real activities which engender them:"
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>
>Nate Schmolze
>http://www.geocities.com/~nschmolze/
>schmolze who-is-at students.wisc.edu
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>People with great passions, people who accomplish great deeds,
>People who possess strong feelings even people with great minds
>and a strong personality, rarely come out of good little boys
>and girls
>L.S. Vygotsky
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