Re: Science/religion...(Re: Dewey, friendship, and . . problem solving , ???)

Rolfe Windward (IBALWIN who-is-at mvs.oac.ucla.edu)
Tue, 07 Nov 95 07:40 PST

Angel's note reminded me of the following from the eminent Indian educator
Rabindranath Tagore. His blend of American Pragmatism (derived primarily
from Dewey) and folklore has always intrigued me.

"Freedom in the mere sense of independence has no content, and therefore no
meaning. Perfect freedom lies in a perfect harmony of relationship, which we
realize in this world not through our response to it in knowing, but in
being. Objects of knowledge maintain an infinite distance from us who are
the knowers. For knowledge is not union. Therefore the further world of
freedom awaits us there where we reach truth, not through feeling it by our
senses or knowing it by our reason, but through the union of perfect
sympathy."

Rolfe Windward
UCLA GSE&IS
ibalwin who-is-at mvs.oac.ucla.edu
rwindwar who-is-at ucla.edu

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> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:13:02 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Angel M.Y. Lin" <mylin who-is-at OISE.ON.CA>
> To: xmca who-is-at WEBER.UCSD.EDU
> Subject: Science/religion...(Re: Dewey, friendship, and . . problem solving , ???)
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> Edouard wrote an intriguing message on an off-beat but interesting
> topic...
>
> Science to me represents humans' attempt to attain control and
> predictability, first over their physical and natural environment (the
> physical and natural sciences) then their social environment (traditional
> social sciences)... the key words are CONTROL and PREDICT...
>
>
> The ancient Chinese entertain a notion of the "affectionate sky", and an
> ideal of "being in communion with the sky"... it's not a notion of
> control, predicting or manipulating... but relationship (you could call
> it "friendship")... and the ideal person is one who has sky inside
> her/him and sky has her/him inside "it"... it's a reunion of sky and
> human...
>
> I think the problem of the modern man and woman, perhaps, is too much an
> obsession with control and predictability/certainty... some seek religion
> to have some sense of "certainty" or control... but I feel that the
> essense of spirituality is to be in relationship... to be connected with
> oneself, with other humans and creatures, with nature, and with "The
> Affectionate Sky" or God...
>
> Angel
>
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> Angel M.Y. Lin
> Doctoral Candidate
> Modern Language Centre
> Ontario Institute for Studies in Education
> 252 Bloor St. W., Toronto, ON M5S 1V6, Canada
> E-Mail: MYLIN who-is-at OISE.ON.CA
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> Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
> Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat;
> But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
> When ... we stand face to face in the cyber space? ...
> --Adapted from: The Ballad of East and West, Rudyard Kipling
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