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Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
Wagner,
Your question about who are the scholars who are exploring neo-Piagetian
approaches at SFU.
Jeremy Carpendale at SFU and Ulrich Müller at the University of Victoria
both wrote articles in "The Cambridge Companion to Piaget." They are
exploring the social mind within neo-Piagetian theory and creating a
dialogue between Vygotsky and Piaget.
The third person who is centrally referenced as guiding Carpendale and
Müller in their neo-Piagetian approaches is Wittgenstein. They are
attempting to build bridges.
To bring the conversation back to Luria, Andy has uploaded the vimeo
presentation of Mike Cole interviewing Jerome Bruner and Oliver Sacks as
they share memories of the profound impact Luria had on their development.
The interview is fascinating. Jerome Bruner's reflections comparing Piaget
and Luria give an intimate sense of who Luria was as a person. There is a
section where Bruner shares his memories of how Luria understood Piaget's
project.
These personal reflections of Jerome Bruner and Oliver Sacks and Mike Cole
in dialogue I experienced as a romantic interlude.
Larry
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Thank you Michael,
>
> Indeed her work is very interesting, I will go after it! Thank you.
>
> Wagner
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:05 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, Wagner. It continued in Luria. It exists in its own way today in
> > Brazil, if I am not mistaken in the work of Lucia Braga of the SARAH
> > network's work on rehabilitation of children with perinatal and acquired
> > brain damage.
> >
> > Luria's book,The Working Brain, is an interesting late summary of this
> > approach to the use of the notion of psychological systems.
> > The Man With A Shattered World (American translation title) is an
> > accessible intro to the application of this approach.
> > Mike
> >
> > On Wednesday, July 24, 2013, Wagner Luiz Schmit wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Huw,
> >>
> >> I like that text pretty much (I always returned to it in our research
> >> group in Brazil and I will present it again this week to our research
> >> group in Japan). And this text, acording to Leontiev, is from 1930...
> >> But at the same time Leontiev, in a letter from this same year (if I
> >> am not mistaken again) points to divergent way of thinking between
> >> him, Luria and Vygotsky... I unfortunately know very little about
> >> Luria (just read some texts) and even less about today Russian
> >> neuroscience, does this proposal by Vygotsky continues in Luria? And
> >> returning to the main topic, there is still neuroscience following
> >> these guidelines?
> >>
> >> Wagner
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > On 24 July 2013 15:38, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hello Larry,
> >> >>
> >> >> Please say more... I think this is so important, and things point out
> >> >> that Vygotsky also, otherwise why enter the Medicine course in 1930
> >> >> (if my memory is not wrong)
> >> >>
> >> >> Wagner
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > "On Psychological Systems", collected works of LSV, v.3, p.105
> >> >
> >> > "In actual fact, it seems to me that by introducing the concept of
> >> > psychological system in the form we discussed, we get a splendid
> >> > possibility of conceiving the real connections, the real complex
> >> > relationships that exist."
> >> >
> >> > "To a certain degree this also holds true for one of the most
> difficult
> >> > problems -- the localization of higher psychological systems."
> >> >
> >> > Huw
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Ulvi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You mentioned you are interested in *cognitive CHANGE*.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Within the concept *neuroplasticity* is implicit Nero change.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There is a scholar in France [Catherine Malabou] whose central
> >> conceptual
> >> >> > thesis explores *plasticity* as from the Greek *to mold or to
> model.*
> >> >> > She moves the concepts of *dynamic* and *systems* and *theory* and
> >> >> *neural*
> >> >> > within the orbit of the central thesis of plasticity as change,
> >> >> > transformation and metamorphosis.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not sure if this is too far off topic.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I also want to mention *neo-Piagetian* theory including Vygotsky
> and
> >> >> > Wittgenstein is being explored at SIMON Fraser University.
> >> >> > If interested I could say more.
> >> >> > Larry
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Dear Andy and all, I found Kurt Fisher, he is at Harvard, Mind,
> Brain
> >> >> and
> >> >> >> Education.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> He is described as:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Fischer's theory differs from the other neo-Piagetian theories in
> a
> >> >> number
> >> >> >> of respects. One of them is in the way it explains cognitive
> change.
> >> >> >> Specifically, although Fischer does not deny the operation of
> >> >> information
> >> >> >> processing constrains on development, he emphasizes on the
> >> environmental
> >> >> >> and social rather than individual factors as causes of
> development.
> >> To
> >> >> >> explain developmental change he borrowed two classic notions from
> Lev
> >> >> >> Vygotsky,[12]<
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development#cite_note-12
> >> >> >> >that
> >> >> >> is, internalization and the zone of proximal development.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I am rather interested in the application of the new findings in
> the
> >> >> field
> >> >> >> of educational neuroscience into the theory and practice of
> >> education.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ulvi
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2013/7/23 Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Ulvi, best of luck in your search, and maybe someone on this
> list
> >> can
> >> >> >> > help. But don't get your hopes up.
> >> >> >> > Lawrence Barsalou is a very sophisticated writer on
> neuroscience,
> >> but
> >> >> in:
> >> >> >> >
> >>
> >
>
>