Re: [xmca] Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is choice

[Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>]

Martin
I agree that there are multiple paths and facial mirroring is one
particular type of gesture used to communicate expression signs.
The multiplicity of overlapping gestures is the reason I am translating
*expressive signs* into the concept of *gestures* which is developing the
same theme from another tradition.
The notion of gestures being explored by Elena cufferi while at Oregon and
now in Spain is exploring this inter-subjective realm.
Merleau pointy extends the centrality of gestures to language as a still
more expansive understanding of gestures.

If the terms *expressive signs* and *gestures* share a family resemblance
then this may be a possible

If gergely and fonagy exploring this dynamic of the development of
expressive signs are seen as relevant to cultural historical
 theories as understanding how gestures (always inter-subjective) are
foundational for developing co and self regulation, then this understanding
may be a possible way of bridging a number of psychological discourses.
This article as participating in this way of understanding development
offers a way into possible shared discourse across traditions.

Larry

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:

> Larry,
>
> I doubt that mirroring of facial expression is the *only* way that adults
> provide feedback to their infants that is mediated by cultural norms and
> categories of emotion. One interacts with an emotional baby in many other
> ways too - comforting them through contact, cuddling and rocking. Amusing
> them by tickling and tossing in the air. Each of these is the omega
> interacting with the alpha. Plus we know there are cultures where face to
> face contact with infants is relatively rare - an infant may pass much time
> strapped to his mother's back, for example.
>
> But I don't see these points as objections to the basic argument that
> adult interpretation, culturally formed, plays an important constitutive
> role in a child's emotional development, in particular the shift from
> other-regulated to self-regulated emotion.
>
> Martin
>
> On Mar 19, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Andy,
> > Following up on your commentary on the article under discussion.
> > Expression signs are assumed to mediate the psychological and the
> > sociocultural as a mechanism.
> > I would like to now focus on the theory or model of *internalization* and
> > invite commentary on this model.
> > On page 24 the question is posed: which developmental mechanism underlies
> > the differentiation of fully functioning emotional expressions?
> > Answer:
> > According to the internalization model the decisive mechanism is to be
> > found in the interplay between two factors: the caregivers motive-serving
> > RESPONSE and mirroring of infant emotional expression interacting with
> the
> > infant's imitation of the caregiver's emotional expression and learning
> > from experience.... infants differentiate their emotions in a semantic
> > space in which their emotional experiences are MEDITED by the
> > INTERPRETATIONS of their caregivers.
> >
> > Is this answer to the question accepted as the decisive mechanism which
> > transforms precursor emotions into fully functioning emotions??
> >
> > The reason I ask, is because this model is also profoundly transforming
> > psychoanalytical understandings of expression signs.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> >
> >> You're an africienado of this cuisine yourself, Joe.
> >> http://lchc.ucsd.edu/Histarch/**jl78v2n3.PDF<
> http://lchc.ucsd.edu/Histarch/jl78v2n3.PDF>
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >>
> >> JAG wrote:
> >>
> >>> Do you deliver
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 18, 2013, at 10:34 PM, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I'm not aware that they included any neurological techniques in their
> >>>> research, Andy.
> >>>>
> >>>> Martin
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 18, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Martin.
> >>>>> I am not confused.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am reminded of when my friend Sasha was arrested for punching a
> >>>>> copper at a demonstration in London in 1968. His girlfriend appeared
> as a
> >>>>> witness, and when the judged asked her: "Did you see the defendant
> punch
> >>>>> the officer?" she replied: "No!" so judge dismissed her saying that
> if she
> >>>>> didn't see the offence then she was not a witness. Sasha was
> innocent of
> >>>>> course, but he got 6 months in Brixton.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The question xmca readers can reflect on is this: are Manfred and the
> >>>>> other contributors to this Special Issue on emotion ignorant of the
> widely
> >>>>> publicised phenomenon of mirror neurons despite many years of
> research into
> >>>>> the development of emotional expression in infants, or does their
> failure
> >>>>> to witness the action of "mirror neurons" suggest that there are no
> such
> >>>>> entities?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Andy
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Martin Packer wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Andy,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think you're mixing three different kinds of 'mirroring':
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. recognition of one's mirror image, something that develops during
> >>>>>> the 2nd year of life.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2. mirroring the facial expression of an interactional or
> >>>>>> conversational partner, something that adults and infants start to
> do early
> >>>>>> in the first year of life.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 3. neurons that fire either when a person is producing a certain
> >>>>>> action or when they are perceiving the same action.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Though these have similar names they are quite distinct phenomena,
> >>>>>> although researchers propose various connections amongst them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Martin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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