Re: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Those are both terrifically useful passages to think with, Larry and Andy.
Thanks. I (so to speak) really resonate to the notion of rhythmicity and
movement in the first passage, and the "doublebarrel" metaphor in the
second. I think for the latter that
barrel is perhaps unfortunate in so far as "two-way" *temporality*
is backgrounded.

thanks!
mike

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> What about this one Larry?
>
>        ‘Experience’ is what James called a double-barreled word. Like
>        its congeners, life and history, it includes /what/ men do and
>        suffer, /what/ they strive for, love, believe and endure, and
>        /how/ men act and are acted upon, the ways in which they do and
>        suffer, desire and enjoy, see, believe, imagine – in short,
>        processes of /experiencing/. ... It is ‘double-barreled’ in that
>        it recognizes in its primary integrity no division between act
>        and material, subject and object, but contains them both in an
>        unanalyzed totality. ‘Thing’ and ‘thought’, as James says in the
>        same connection, are single-barreled; they refer to products
>        discriminated by reflection out of primary experience (1929 PJD:
>        256-7).
>
> Andy
>
>
> Larry Purss wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> On page 12 of the  article on Dewey's notionotion of experience the theme
>> of experience AS
>> "life overcomes and transforms factors of opposition to achieve higher
>> significance. Harmony and equilibrium are the resullts not of mechanical
>> processes but of RHYTHMIC resolution of tension.  The rhythmic ALTERNATION
>> within the live creature BETWEEN unity and disunity becomes CONSCIOUS in
>> humans.  Emotion signifies BREAKS in experience which are then resolved
>> through reflective action"
>>
>> I thought this may be a way in to *start* the conversational dialogue
>>  with
>> perezhivanie.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Michael, Mike:
>>> One more fragment on the  definition of sentipensante:
>>>
>>> Sentipensante pedagogy offers a transformative vision of education that
>>> emphasizes the harmonic, complementary relationship between the sentir of
>>> intuition and the pensar of intellect and scholarship; between teaching
>>> and
>>> learning; between formal knowledge and wisdom; and between Western and
>>> non-Western ways of knowing.
>>>
>>> Seems to have some family resemblance to this theme of experience
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mike,
>>>> Thanks for this.
>>>> Stanford Pub is a wonderful resource.  I seem to download an author
>>>> approximately once a month. For $10 you support them and get the
>>>> articles
>>>> sent in a PDF format.
>>>>
>>>> Michael , here is a link [in Spanish] to a youtube video of Orlando
>>>> Fals-Borda discussing his understanding of experience from the heart.
>>>> If you have any articles in English which you can share, this seems to
>>>> be
>>>> exploring experience within "felt awareness".
>>>> Seems to be a fascinating expansion of the understanding of experience.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Michael and Mike
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=LbJWqetRuMo<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJWqetRuMo>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:46 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Larry. Viva la differencia. Here is a quick summary of Dewey on
>>>>> experience. Note that his ideas are considered unusual by the author.
>>>>> That
>>>>> Stanford pub seems very useful.
>>>>> mike
>>>>>
>>>>> http://plato.stanford.edu/**entries/dewey-aesthetics/#**HavExp<http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dewey-aesthetics/#HavExp>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>> I also found this site for Orlando Fals Borda.
>>>>>> http://comm-org.wisc.edu/si/**falsborda.htm<http://comm-org.wisc.edu/si/falsborda.htm>
>>>>>> If it is off topic please ignore. However, it is where my curiosity
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> called or invited.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Glassman, Michael <
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> glassman.13@osu.edu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>             Perhaps another avenue to explore might be Ortega y
>>>>>>> Gasset's ideas on
>>>>>>> experience (which is probably in some ways reflective of Dewey)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> which was
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> appropriated by Orlando Fals Borda in the concept of vivencia -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> which is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> very compelling - and became an important part of Fals-Borda's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> conception
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> of Participatory Action Research.  This might then tie back to the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> earlier
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> issue on PAR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>> ______________________________**__________
>>>>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> behalf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:28 PM
>>>>>>> To: Beth Ferholt
>>>>>>> Cc: Galina Zuckerman; John Shotter; Boris Meshcheryakov; eXtended
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mind,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Culture, Activity; James Wertsch; Alexander Asmolov
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Beth--
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ask, firstly, because there appear quite clear overlaps as you and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Monica
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have been exploring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Secondly, we have two submissions to MCA on perezhivanie that are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> very
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> focused on Russian authors. Over and above competing
>>>>>>> exegeses of the ideas of Vygotsky, Puyzerei, etc., it seems important
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we figure out ways to explore different ways of thinking about the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> general
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> category of "experience" that will be
>>>>>>> productive of new empirical and theoretical investigation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monica and I have just started using the two concepts in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> conjunction,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we write about the relation between play and learning and Dewey's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ideas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the relation between art and science in Art and Experience.  I am
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> interested in any ref. you find as I have found none yet. Can I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ask why
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ask now? Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:09 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Has anyone written on uses of the term perezhivanie as used in the
>>>>>>>>> cultural
>>>>>>>>> historical tradition and Dewey's concept of experience?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> references?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  mike
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