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RE: [xmca] Bozhovich's Internal Position
Just wondering, do you need to be understanding a social role in order to be playing one? I'm thinking of the pink/blue diaper study that Mike has brought to our attention, in which newborns are socialized into gender roles nearly from birth.
Rubin, J. Z., Provenzano, F. J., & Luria, Z. (1974). The eye of the beholder: Parents' views on sex of newborns. American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, 44, 512-519.
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Subject: Re: [xmca] Bozhovich's Internal Position
Except "role" only works for children above a certain age. Infants and toddlers have no understanding of social role. Arguably preschool age children are beginning to work out this kind of 'institutional fact' in their play. School kids get heavy exposure to the roles of the classroom, of course.
Martin
On Jan 21, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 January 2013 16:44, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Its interesting that you bring this back to the issue of social
> situation
>>> of development which pops up in xmca conversations from time to
>>> time.The two would, if I understand matters approximately correctly,
>>> have to constitute a coupled system. But how loose the
>> coupling,
>>> how plastic the system?
>>>
>>
>
> Well, my tentative learning is that motivational affect is a function
> of identified social role. It is not simply a case of obtaining the
> competency, but of presenting and relating oneself as the social
> interface or medium for such a role, which thereby exercises a
> behavioural
> (unconscious) "pull" rather than a purely goal driven "push". Such
> that one is "happy in the clothes" of the role.
>
> Huw
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>> mike
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>>> Mike, Lubovsky in, "The Concept of Internal Position", cites
>>> numerous dissertations undertaken as part of his research. All the
>>> references are in Russian.
>>>
>>> My impression, from a first reading, is that his use of it has
>>> drifted
>> from
>>> Bozhovich's elaboration in "The Social Situation of Child Development".
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Huw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21 January 2013 15:49, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dunno about measurement, Huw. But "internal positioning" is defined
>> here.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 21, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone point me to English translations or uses of Bozhovich's
>>>>> "Internal Position" being operationalized, please, i.e. how IP is
>>>> measured?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Huw
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