Re: [xmca] http://marxismocritico.com/category/psicologia-marxista/

[Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>]

Ok ! Thanks a lot , Martin ! This is my puzzle . This is my confusion . You are mostly absent from the discussions . Andy also believes Vygotsky is a staunch marxist/materialist . My puzzle is Vygotsky seems to have gotten mixed up . In his name everything is justified . I remember your ' Is Vygotsky still relevant ? ' to which you and many others answered , 'yes' . I so suppose Vygotsky tries to get the 'good' of everything and credits the 'bad' things to liveliest , at times , hot critiques . He deals , for instance , with Spinoza in such manner . What I want to say is , here , on this forum , I might fancy ! there's no dividing line between 'materialism' vs. 'idealism' , the theme so pivotal to Vygotsky's understanding ; Not that 'idealists' , if any but me , have no right to come up with their ideas but that if the backbone of this forum recognizes someone as talking idealistically which goes against what Vygotsky intends ,  they should clarify the
 points as Vygotsky himself so clearly and brilliantly does . And if they are so progressive as to put Vygotsky behind their back , it's we who should sit calm and listen . Does this forum support Vygotskyian 'Materialism' ?
Best
Haydi        


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 From: Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>
To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> 
Sent: Sunday, 16 December 2012, 20:25:52
Subject: Re: [xmca] http://marxismocritico.com/category/psicologia-marxista/
 

Hi Haydi,


I'm not entirely sure what aspect of this complex section of Crisis you'd like to discuss, but on this matter...

On Dec 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com> wrote:


> Here we see lots of stuff dealing with and appraising 'phenomenology' and 'idealistic approches' and epistemologies . Are we really discussing a mixture of 'idea' and 'matter' as one nomad ? Are they identical or just distinct ? while our beloved is a non-stop believer in 'materialism' at the least account ? 


My reading is that this is where LSV wants to cut psychology in two, and discard the idealist part. All he takes from phenomenology (and at the time this meant the phenomenology of Husserl, not of Heidegger or of Merleau-Ponty, which are quite different) is aspects of its methodology. He completely rejects its idealist ontology - that what exists are 'eidetic structures' (mental essences, in effect). The new psychology is to be completely materialist. However, LSV insists that this doesn't mean it will ignore consciousness. On the contrary, it will study consciousness as something material. 


Martin
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