Re: [xmca] empirical evidence (Kohlberg et al., 1968 testing Vygotsky)

[Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com>]

Interested, indeed.


Most curious, were this book of 1950s, more likely 1960s, but please find the reference, that would help.


AY



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 From: Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [xmca] empirical evidence (Kohlberg et al., 1968 testing Vygotsky)
 
It is late here so maybe my memory is not 100%... But last year I remenber
reading a book from David Ausubel were while criticizing Piaget he cites
Vygotsky, or that is what I recall, and the book first edition was on the
50's or 60's... I can try to find this if anyone is interested..

Wagner Luiz Schmit
Brazil

2012/6/24 Michael Glassman <MGlassman@ehe.osu.edu>

> I am thinking Kohlberg got his knowledge of Vygotsky through Piaget.
>  Didn't Piaget write his response to Vygotsky in 1962?  I don't know why
> but that sticks in my mind.  Kohlberg was sending at least some of his
> students to Geneva during that period.  Possibly one or more of those
> people brought Vygotsky and Thought and Language back.  I remember talking
> some years back with somebody who was in Geneva during the period who said
> Piaget kept saying Vygotsky misunderstood him.  Who knows, but it seems
> plausible.
>
> Michael
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> To: Martin Packer; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
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> Vygotsky)
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> True and thanks for a copy, but there is no evidence (as of now) whether
> Flavell new and was utilizing any of Vygotsky in his paper of 1966, -- is
> there?
>
>
> ... But, frankly, who cares, after all :)
>
>
> AY
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> But Flavell had presented a paper on the same topic 4 years earlier, and
> was credited in a footnote.
>
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> On Jun 24, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Anton Yasnitsky wrote:
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> > For Vygotsky, Kohlberg, of Harvard, certainly would not need mediation
> of Flavell: the book had come out in 1962, and was orchestrated by the
> bunch of guys at Harvard,
> > which clearly was a stronghold of Vygotsky's admirers back then, i.e. in
> 1960s and 1970s.
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