RE: [xmca] Smolucha - pronunciation/genealogy (Systems of functions & Aristotelian concepts)

[Colette Murphy <c.a.murphy@qub.ac.uk>]

No quick answer Mike - my observation as a science educator is "Plus ca change..." in almost a century.
My answer initially relates to resourcing. After science became a serious subject of study in schools, students who left school in the 1950s and 1960s with science qualifications moved seamlessly into research labs in hospitals, etc - and used equipmeent identical to that they used in schools. Subsequently the levels of resoucing did not keep pace and the subject of "school science" evolved. This subject bears no relation to the world of science outside school and necessitates high levels of 'pouring in' and 'passive absorption' due to the very nature of its irrelevance.
I'll leave it there for now!
Colette
 
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“Why is it, in spite of the fact that teaching by pouring in, learning by passive absorption, are universally condemned, that they are still so entrenched in practice?”
                                                                                    John Dewey Democracy in Education 1916, Page 46
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Subject: Re: [xmca] Smolucha - pronunciation/genealogy (Systems of functions &  Aristotelian concepts)

What is the answer to Dewey's question, Colette? That very question has been on my mind for
Zoe time.
Mike

On Jun 22, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Colette Murphy <c.a.murphy@qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> Thanks to Martin, Anton and everyone else involved in this discussion - it helps enormously with issues realting to 'higher psychological functions'!
> Colette
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> Dr Colette Murphy
> Senior Lecturer
> School of Education
> 69 University St
> Queen's University
> Belfast BT7 1HL
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> tel: 02890975953
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> “Why is it, in spite of the fact that teaching by pouring in, learning by passive absorption, are universally condemned, that they are still so entrenched in practice?”
>                                                                                    John Dewey Democracy in Education 1916, Page 46
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> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Martin Packer [packer@duq.edu]
> Sent: 22 June 2012 13:18
> To: Anton Yasnitsky; eXtended Mind, Culture,  Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Smolucha - pronunciation/genealogy (Systems of functions &  Aristotelian concepts)
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> Here is the text that Anton and Michael have been referring to.
>
> Martin
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> On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Anton Yasnitsky wrote:
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>> Andy,
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>>
>> I regard mediation etc.pretty vague and, therefore, virtually meaningless. Also I regard the whole research program of Vygotsky Circle of their instrumental period of 1920s
>> mechanistic indeed, and this conclusion I borrow primarily from Vygotsky's own texts in which he severely criticized their own ideas of that period.
>>
>>
>> Finally, yes, I do find the sharp separation of all psychological functions (whatever this means) into either the higher or the lower binary, rigid, valuative, and pretty much Aristotelian,
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>> in Lewin's terminology. Under Lewin's strong influence Vygotsky realized the flaw in his conceptual system and made a serious effort at making the transition from
>>
>> Aristotelian to Galileian in his own thinking, but, quite unfortunately, by the time this transition in many respects was made, he did not have too much time to  live:
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>> a couple of years, not more. Which is a pity, indeed.
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>>
>> AY
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>>
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
>> To: Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:58:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Smolucha - pronunciation/genealogy (Systems of functions)
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>> So Anton, you regard mediation of psychlogical functions by cultural artefacts as "mechanistic" and "binary"?
>> Andy
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>> Anton Yasnitsky wrote:
>>> Martin,
>>>
>>> Right, this is exactly my point: much criticized for fairly mechanistic distinction between the lower and the higher in his earlier work of 1920s, Vygotsky rejected this binary opposition in his later writings of the 1930, although he kept using  phrases "higher functions" or, rather, "higher processes" and the like.
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