Re: [xmca] Direct Instruction: observations at Djarragun college, Cape York, Australia

[Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>]

Bill

IF the results Engelmann says were achieved were verified and then
subsequently IGNORED, then that phenomena should also generate further
reflection.  Why is a *proven* approach that was *verified* to work,
subsequently  ignored?  This goes back to my previous observation of 150
distinct SIG's represented at AERA and all of them competing for
recognition.  That phenomena also left me reflective.

Larry

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Bill Kerr <billkerr@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Larry. I read Engelmann's bio "Teaching Needy Kids in our Backward
> System: 42 Years of Trying". Parts of it I liked and parts of it I thought
> were nonsense. I remember one part where he claimed to teach the concept of
> density in a few hours or so. I've spent weeks teaching that to High school
> kids using innovative methods based on floaters and sinkers etc. and no way
> was I going to believe him there.
>
> Another aspect of Engelmann was his slinging off at any form of
> constuctivism, his trashing of Dewey and his general anger at these forms
> of education. ie. his in your face no bullshit approach, no tact or how to
> win friends and influence people.
>
> Nevertheless, someone on another list kept on reminding everyone also in
> angry fashion that Englemann's methods had been shown to work in a billion
> plus dollar US Project Follow Through and then ignored. Engelmann has that
> chapter of his book online http://www.zigsite.com/PDFs/chapter5-6intro.pdf
>
> After reading that I understood why he and his supporters were angry. But
> without Noel Pearson I probably would never have got that far, since
> constructionism (with a t not v) in my experience also does work (but
> doesn't scale for the most disadvantaged groups).
>
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bill
> > This detailed description of the Direct Instruction approach to
> > education seems faithful to my understanding of how Direct Instruction
> was
> > implemented 30 years ago when schools had programs such as "Morphographic
> > Spelling"
> >
> > I remember that this approach did achieve *results* and *worked*.
> >
> > On a more general note, the question of the place of *scripted*
> > systematically sequenced educational approaches that are directly taught
> to
> > *mastery* as approaches getting *results* should generate further
> > reflection.
> >
> > I was at the AERA conference which has approximately 150 SIG's [special
> > interest groups] and I never saw a single discussion listed on direct
> > instruction in the 5 day schedule.
> >
> > It is interesting that an approach that *works* [and this word *works* is
> > the key to this conversation] is not more fully debated  in the
> educational
> > forums. I realize this approach is the antithesis of constructivist
> models
> > of education but if students develop the capacity to read texts with
> > understanding [the claim of the Direct Instruction method] that claim
> > should lead to further reflection.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Helen Grimmett
> > <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Bill,
> > >
> > > A few questions come to mind:
> > > How do the scripted lessons work for students with poor attendance? How
> > do
> > > they catch up on the bits of script they miss or is it so repetitive
> that
> > > it doesn't really matter unless they miss a lot of lessos in a row? Has
> > > attendance improved, stayed the same or got worse since the
> introduction
> > of
> > > the DI approach? How do the teachers feel about the approach? Does the
> > lack
> > > of creativity and flexibility bore them to tears or do the results
> > provide
> > > motivation?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Helen
> > >
> > > On 28 April 2012 12:30, Bill Kerr <billkerr@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've just returned from a 4 day observation at Djarragun College
> > > > http://www.djarragun.qld.edu.au/cms/ for indigenous Australians,
> near
> > > > Cairns, during their first week of Term 2.
> > > >
> > > > Their programme is directed by NIFDI (National Institute For Direct
> > > > Instruction), an American group set up by Zig Engelmann. The
> > > > initiative to implement this in Australia originated with indigenous
> > > > leader Noel Pearson, as outlined in his essay “Radical Hope”
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.quarterlyessay.com/issue/radical-hope-education-and-equality-australia
> > > >
> > > > In the following I describe some of the characteristics of the NIFDI
> > > > programme
> > > >
> > > > Without fail, every school day, from 9am to 1pm there are 3 hours of
> > > > English language instruction (broken up into decoding, comprehension,
> > > > writing) and 1 hour of Maths instruction
> > > >
> > > > The lessons are  heavily scripted. The various teachers manuals are
> > > > thick books with precise instructions about how lessons must be
> > > > delivered. So all the teachers are pulling consistently in the same
> > > > direction. Robotic yes, but they are good robots.
> > > >
> > > > This aspect of the program has major, major implications. Scripting
> > > > lessons takes away from teacher creativity or autonomy. All teachers
> > > > are delivering in quite similar ways. Does the lack of diversity in
> > > > this respect matter? For instance, in education a methods war between
> > > > the relative virtues of constructivism (which emphasises the value of
> > > > children exploring) and behavourism (which emphasises formal
> > > > transmission of knowledge from teacher to student) has been  going on
> > > > in various guises for years. NIFDI is as behaviourist as you can get
> > > > so there is bound to be substantial opposition from constructivists
> or
> > > > from those who advocate some sort of even balance between the two
> > > > apparent extremes.
> > > >
> > > > With NIFDI, student participation is close to 100%. Quite often this
> > > > takes the form of chanting in unison in response to a signalling
> > > > system from the teacher (finger click or tap on a book). Students are
> > > > trained to not answer until the teacher signals so the "smart"
> > > > students don't dominate and the "slow" students don't hold back.
> > > > Everyone participates. I observed this being consistently implemented
> > > > in a variety of primary and middle school classes
> > > >
> > > > The curriculum, from what I observed, is very purposeful. Engelmann
> > > > claims to have developed curriculum design to the level of a precise
> > > > science. There is a strong emphasis on logical elements in the
> > > > comprehension part of the curriculum such as deductions, inference
> > > > etc. (and of course much more). For example, in one lesson about the
> > > > skeletal and muscular body systems these elements of curriculum
> design
> > > > were included in rapid succession: Deductions, Evidence,
> > > > Classification, Definitions, Parts of Speech, Inference, Definitions
> > > > and Following Directions.
> > > >
> > > > Some of the features of the programme that struck me as unusual and /
> > > > or interesting were:
> > > > (a) Strong emphasis on logical elements such as deduction, evidence
> > > > and inference
> > > > (b) Continual verbal participation (chanting) from students. The
> > > > chanting was not only copying what the teacher said but also
> > > > performing logical operations independently, after initial
> preparation
> > > > for this by the teacher
> > > > (c) Expectation and achievement of participation in all tasks by all
> > > > students (not 100% in all cases but close to it in nearly all of the
> > > > classes I observed)
> > > > (d) Lessons proceeded briskly, some tasks were strictly timed and the
> > > > message that time was precious was both explicit and implicit.
> > > > (e) A system of student points and teacher points was present in all
> > > > classes. Students obtained points for doing the right thing, teachers
> > > > obtained points when students did the wrong thing (eg. not waiting
> for
> > > > the signal before answering). The class receives a reward when a
> > > > specified target of points is achieved.
> > > > (f) Virtually no misuse of mobile phones. Students who misuse phones
> > > > may lose them for a week or even the whole term.
> > > > (g) Self checks and peer assessment in various contexts. For example,
> > > > I gathered that reading was assessed every day in paired groups with
> > > > one of the pair recording words read in, say, 2 minutes and the
> > > > errors. This was then followed by a reversal of roles. I asked one of
> > > > the students who recorded 2 errors for her partner what they were and
> > > > she could tell me.
> > > >
> > > > All class groups are based on current ability level and not year or
> > > > age level. So you might see year 8, 9 and 10 students in the same
> > > > class. Decoding and comprehension occurs before recess; Writing and
> > > > Maths after recess. The class groups are resorted at recess since
> > > > abilities in these subjects will vary.
> > > >
> > > > The goal is always mastery learning (85%-90%) for each and every
> > student.
> > > >
> > > > The data collection process is both arduous on the teacher and
> awesome
> > > > in its scope. A copious amounts of data is collected each week by
> each
> > > > teacher. Marking for each day must be completed by the next day.
> > > > Students are reassessed each day for items they have not achieved
> > > > mastery learning in the day before. If there are 3 strikes on an
> > > > assessment item then the student is dropped to a lower ability group.
> > > >
> > > > Much of the work from the previous day is repeated in slightly
> > > > different form next day. There might be only 10 or 20% of new
> material
> > > > taught each day. Hence continual repetition is built into the
> program.
> > > >
> > > > The biggest problem is poor attendance. Hence the need for Noel
> > > > Pearson's other community based initiatives to get students to attend
> > > > regularly. See “How do miserable people progress in the world?”
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://billkerr2.blogspot.com.au/2008/08/how-do-miserable-people-progress-in.html
> > > >
> > > > The data is faxed to a  Direct Instruction expert in Canada once a
> > > > week and this is followed by a conference call to discuss progress.
> > > > So, there is an external expert continually advising and also
> checking
> > > > that no one is drifting off from full implementation of the package.
> > > >
> > > > In other schools teachers deviate all over the place, this is the
> > > > first school I have seen where that is strictly not allowed. I
> > > > observed some minor deviations but no serious deviations.
> > > >
> > > > So, one outcome from the Engelmann approach is the ability to scale.
> > > > For this to happen you need both the broad scope of a well designed
> > > > and scripted curriculum (coverage of all aspects of literacy and
> > > > maths) and the rigour of copious data collection and checkups.
> Without
> > > > those elements scaling could not be achieved. That is what Engelmann
> > > > provides which no one else does. Teachers do become like robots (in
> > > > some, not all, ways). But through the rigour of the scripting they
> are
> > > > purposeful robots and so on the mass scale much more is being
> achieved
> > > > than would be achieved in the normal course of events, with teachers
> > > > pulling and pushing in a variety of different directions (even with
> > > > some of those directions being educationally sound ones and justified
> > > > in isolation from each other)
> > > >
> > > > There is a huge potential for spottiness and teachers not
> implementing
> > > > the NIFDI approach properly. From what I saw in various classes there
> > > > were subtle differences of implementation creeping in. But they were
> > > > subtle, not serious deviations. Of course these would deviate further
> > > > if there wasn't a rigorous way to prevent it. This explains why NIFDI
> > > > have put in place such rigorous checkups through their data
> collection
> > > > process. Part of me still doesn't like that side of it (the
> > > > restriction on teachers ability innovate in their own, sometimes
> > > > creative ways) but certainly I can see the necessity for it.
> > > >
> > > > Hence other methods can and do work in isolation (good teachers in
> > > > isolated classrooms) but the NIFDI approach seems to be the only one
> > > > to provide all the elements necessary for scaling whereas other
> > > > methods out of respect for teachers independence do not scale. And
> > > > scale is everything since we have a large percentage of indigenous
> > > > Australians who can't read, write or do basic maths. Other methods
> > > > have failed.
> > > >
> > > >  I'll also mention that I'm a big fan of Seymour Papert's
> > > > constructionist approach to teaching with computers and have employed
> > > > that approach successfully in both middle class and disadvantaged
> > > > schools in Adelaide. But when working in a disadvantaged school in
> > > > Adelaide's northern suburbs I realised I had to incorporate much more
> > > > behaviourist type approaches in my teaching due to the low starting
> > > > point of many of the students there. See my 1998 article “The place
> of
> > > > behaviourism in schools”
> > > > http://www.users.on.net/~billkerr/a/behaviourist.htm which
> advocated a
> > > > mixture of methodologies and I still think provides a valid critique
> > > > of some aspects of behaviourism. (See footnotes 1, 2 and 3 in
> > > > particular. These issues still need further research IMO)
> > > >
> > > > Noel Pearson has also significantly influenced my thinking after I
> > > > heard him speak in Adelaide about 10 years ago. Subsequently I have
> > > > read most of his writings. When I read "Radical Hope" I thought
> > > > interesting but education isn't really his primary area of expertise
> > > > so he's being one sided here and going overboard in his support for
> > > > Engelmann. I then read some Engelmann and thought interesting but
> he's
> > > > too angry and criticising all forms of constructivism and I know that
> > > > some forms of it are good, since I have been a successful
> > > > practitioner. But then I couldn't get away from Engelmann's proven
> > > > success in Project Follow Through
> > > > http://www.zigsite.com/PDFs/chapter5-6intro.pdf and so gradually
> came
> > > > to the view that I should look more closely at his DI approach and
> > > > what still seemed to me to be exaggerated claims. I've now come to
> the
> > > > belief that for disadvantaged students in particular who haven't
> > > > grasped the fundamentals of language and maths that Direct
> Instruction
> > > > is the best method developed that I am aware of.
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks to Don Anderson (Principal) and the teachers and
> > > > administrators of Djarragun College for permission to observe and for
> > > > discussion about their implementation of Direct Instruction
> > > >
> > > > Reference:
> > > > Ending the groundhog day of educational reform (Noel Pearson speech,
> > > > 2011)
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://billkerr2.blogspot.com.au/2011/12/ending-groundhog-day-of-educational.html
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> > > Faculty of Education
> > > Monash University, Peninsula Campus
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