Re: [xmca] Peter Smagorinsky on concepts

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Vygotsky says that a word is a sign for a concept- Andy
Words are invitations to form concepts -- Roger Brown.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Huw, I think words do not have "pragmatic force". For that you have to go
> something like sentences. Vygotsky says that a word is a sign for a
> concept. The utterance of a word does not therefore have pragmatic force on
> its own, as you say, but by means of its semiotic properties, contributes
> to the pragmatic force of a sentence or other more extended utterance.
> That's how I'd see it. The odd thing is that a concept is a unit which is
> greater than a sentence, even though a word is less than a sentence, and
> yet one is the sign for another. The same applies to the relation between
> activity and action.
>
> Andy
>
>
> Huw Lloyd wrote:
>
>> 4.  On "word meaning" my preference is to think about sentence meaning.
>> Here it will be clearer that words, absent from a sentence, do not
>> comprise
>> a completed meaning.  They have aspects which are defined, ofcourse,  but
>> these definitions only form part of a system of meaning which is derived
>> from the synthesis of all the words in a sentence (and wider contexts).
>>  To
>> ascribe a "completed" "word meaning" to "all those meanings implied by all
>> possible sentences in which this word can be used" would be like trying to
>> put the whole world in a shoe box, because the system of constraints that
>> comprises all of the sentences is greater than those that comprise the
>> word.   Word meaning in this light is then a different genus of meaning to
>> sentence meaning, it is a derivative of sentence meaning just as
>> acceleration is the derivative of velocity (with time), hence they are not
>> of the same type (genus).  I suspect that the fuzziness to which you refer
>> is partially the confusion of types of meaning.  If instead of this
>> elaborate interpretation of word meaning that encompasses all of the
>> ambiguities that arise of its use in a sentence, we refer to "word
>> meaning"
>> as simply the known system of constraints that are the conventional
>> definition of a word and that participate in sentence meaning, then we
>> have
>> a more tractable account of word usage that is also (I believe) more in
>> line with scientific concepts, hence word and concept align better.
>>
>> Huw
>>
>>
>
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