Re: [xmca] Was Tool and Sign Retranslated From English?

[JAG <joe.glick@gmail.com>]

And here - lurking!

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu> wrote:

> His contact info is at
> http://web.gc.cuny.edu/Psychology/subprogs/devpsy/joe.htmL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
> Behalf Of David Kellogg
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:53 AM
> To: xmca
> Subject: [xmca] Was Tool and Sign Retranslated From English?
>
> In the prologue to Volume Four of the English language Collected Works of
> L.S. Vygotsky (Plenum 1997, p. vi), Joseph Glick says that Tool and Sign in
> Child Devleopment was translated from the English manuscript. This claim is
> also made in van der Veer and Valsiner's Understanding Vygotsy (Blackwell,
> 1991, p. 188).
>
> But on p. 174 of the Vygotsky Reader, footnote 60 refers to a handwritten
> note on the English manuscript that refers the reader to a
> "Russian original". This MIGHT suggest that the Russian original was lost
> and the the Russian version printed in the Russian Collected Works
> (and also translated into English in the volume introduced by Professor
> Glick) really was translated from the English.
>
> But that version is clearly in a less heaviliy edited state (with far more
> repetitions and redundancies). This has been explained by "editorial
> manipulations". But the problem is that the repetitions and redundancies
> are not word for word; it's not the sort of thing a manipulating editor
> would do.
>
> But it is the sort of thing that an author who had large amounts of text
> virtually memorized (for the purpose of classes) might do in the days
> before cutting and pasting on a computer. That is, Vygotsky and/or Luria
> would have a huge amount of argument almost word for word in several places
> in the manuscript and then cut one or the other before translation for
> publication (when they noticed the redundancy).
>
> Does anyone know Professor Glick?  I would like to know about the claim
> that the Russian manuscript was retranslated from English.
>
> David Kellogg
> Hankuk University of Foreign Studies
>
> mbol
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