Re: [xmca] Ingold linking "figments" of imagination and "figments" of materiality as a single ontology

[Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>]

Andy
I'm adding a quote from Stetsenko and Arievitch in the article they wrote
for Jack Martin's edited book "The Sociocultural Turn in Psychology The
Contextual Emergence of Mind and Self"

The quote is from the section they title "Human Development as a
Collaborative Process of Transforming the World"

Therefore, human activity - material, practical, and always by necessity
social collaborative processes aimed at transforming the world and people
themselves - is taken in CHAT to be the basic form of human life, by which
is created everything that is human in humans, including knowledge produced
by them.

Andy, in Jack Martin's latest writings Stetsenko's perspective now holds a
place at center stage.
Anna also suggest Activity theory must re-engage with "agency" and
"subjectivity" as central aspects of our humannness that CHAT currently
under theorizes. That's for another thread.

Larry

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Andy
> You wrote
>
>  I stretch the patience of my xmca friends by rabbiting on about projects
> because, if this is the case, actual research needs to be done on
> collaboration and projects. We need to learn more about collaboration, and
> what faciitates or undermines the formation of long-term collaborations. Is
> there any more important question?
>
> Andy, besides "courage" to change the world, patience is a virture I
> suspect is alive and well among yur friends. My patience struggling to
> grasp your perspective has been warmly rewarded many times over.
>
>  The research question and methods that develop to answer  the question
> "about collaboration" as we ACT to "realize" collaboration and what
> facilitates or undermines the formation of long-term collaborations I would
> embrace as the BIG question worth grappling with.
>
> Andy, what may be CHAT's most significant perspective is the realization
> that the process  making  collaborative acts "real" & the
> process exploring, RE-searching  developing the compass  [tool]  to help us
> "understand" and interpret "about collaboration" are the SAME SIMULTANEOUS
> process.
>
> Larry
>   On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>wrote:
>
>> Thanks Larry.
>>
>> Although I do agree that collaborative projects are needed as a response
>> to the problems of modernity, my point is that "collaborative project" is a
>> *unit of analysis* for social life, i.e., that everything we do is to be
>> taken as part of collaborative projects. I stretch the patience of my xmca
>> friends by rabbiting on about projects because, if this is the case, actual
>> research needs to be done on collaboration and projects. We need to learn
>> more about collaboration, and what faciitates or undermines the formation
>> of long-term collaborations. Is there any more important question?
>>
>> The other point you raise about duration and liquidity: given that we
>> cannot have recourse to any eternal abstractions, human nature, etc., being
>> able to theorise across duration is important, and collaborative projects
>> do this because of the way individuals come and go, and are inducted along
>> the way, actually weaving and maintaining durable social fabric, even as
>> their identity changes. This gives a believable process for ideas and
>> patterns of action which outlive individual persons. It responds to the
>> observation about "liquidity" because projects continuously *realise* their
>> aims, that is, aims and objectives (sources of motivation) are continuously
>> revised in the light of the experience of the project. Projects are
>> "iterative" as they say. Occupy?
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> Larry Purss wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mike, and others discussing solidity/fluidity.
>>>
>>> Andy is asking us to recognize the centrality for collaborative projects
>>> to
>>> be a meaningful response to the issues Bauman is articulating. ...
>>>
>>> Andy, I agree that collaborative projects are the answer to Bauman's
>>> question. The question then becomes "what particular projects?"  My
>>> suggestion is that these projects must be able to give an answer to the
>>> limits and ambivalence of freedom and "self-expression". I also
>>> intuitively
>>> sense that the answers must also in*form structures of some "duration"
>>> that
>>> recognize not only who we "are" and who we are "becoming" but also are
>>> structures which recognize who we "were".
>>> ...
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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