Re: [xmca]schools-without-computers-by-choice-and-conviction-that-they-dont-help-kids

[Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>]

On 30 October 2011 23:57, Michael Glassman <MGlassman@ehe.osu.edu> wrote:

> Hi Huw.
>
> Neo-liberal has almost nothing to do with traditional definitions of
> liberal.  There is a long and convoluted history to the term.  I might
> suggest Naomi Klein's book for a good definition if you are interested.
>
>
That it explains why I didn't know it.  It disqualifies itself.

Huw


> Michael
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> On 30 October 2011 22:26, Michael Glassman <MGlassman@ehe.osu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hi Huw,
> >
> > My difficulty with the Gates Foundation is similar to many of the
> > corporate sponsors pouring money into foundations in attempts to
> influence
> > education policy.  The worst among them is probably the Broad Foundation
> > which I believe has been highly detrimental in the corporate
> administrators
> > that they are training and then bribing impoverished school districts
> (with
> > tip money to them) to put them in power.  I think they've been failures
> > everywhere, but of course when you have backers like that you fail
> upwards.
> >
> > Anyway I see many of these "foundations" as attempting to instill a
> strong
> > neo-liberal ideology in our schools.  It is part of Naomi Klein's "Shock
> > Doctrine."  These foundations are turning our school systems into the
> Chile
> > of 2011.
> >
> >
> Hi Michael,
>
> The connotations of the term 'liberal' in the uk are mostly positive, for
> instance of seeking to go beyond symptoms, such as tolerating anti-social
> behaviour in favour of the promise of a more permanent and significant
> improvement (i.e. transformation rather than containment).   The other side
> of the coin is the notion of putting "well meaning" before realistic, or
> practical, implementation.
>
> Does "neo" in the political stream connote "watered down"?  As opposed to
> its use in philosophy such as Neoplatonism.
>
>
> > Sorry for the rant, but this is one of my many peeves (so many I can't
> > even claim they are pets anymore).
> >
>
> Maybe you could start a peeve hive?  :)
>
> Huw
>
>
> >
> > Michael
> >
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> [xmca]schools-without-computers-by-choice-and-conviction-that-they-dont-help-kids
> >
> >
> >
> > On 26 October 2011 13:03, Michael Glassman <MGlassman@ehe.osu.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > > [...]
> > > There is also the idea of who is actually interviewed in the article
> and
> > > quote in the blog post.  The head of e-bay isn't really that much of a
> > > technology person, more of a businessman, and I believe a strong
> > > libertarian.  Don't assume the Silicon Valley people have that good a
> > grasp
> > > of education.  Remember Bill Gates (I know, he's Seattle) and his
> > > foundation are in my opinion doing more harm than good to open and
> > > progressive education.
> >
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > Out of interest, what flavour of objection do you have to the Gates
> > Foundation?
> >
> > My thoughts were about the cautionary ideas exemplified by Ivan Illich
> > (secondary problems introduced by institutionalising monetarily poorer
> > countries and the like), though I'm currently fairly ignorant of what
> > they're actually doing.
> >
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