RE: [xmca] varying definitions of perezhivanie

["Michael Levykh" <mlevykh@shaw.ca>]

Refusal to confront, Andy, is already a step away from the ACTUAL experience
in the past.

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Dr. Michael G. Levykh, Ph.D.
Therapist & Educational Psychologist
www.affectivetherapy.com
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"How we nurture our social emotions is what makes us who we are." 

~ M. G. Levykh

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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
Behalf Of Andy Blunden
Sent: October-01-11 6:41 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] varying definitions of perezhivanie

Isn't it the case, Michael, that a peerezhivanie has to be followed by a 
catharsis in order to foster a development? The war veteran who refuses 
to confront the traumatic experience they had in the war, kind of fails 
to make the development which the lived experience they shared gives 
them the possibility for.

Michael Levykh wrote:
> Mike, 
>
> perezhivaniye, in my interpretation of Vygotsky, is the ability, when
being
> in the moments of crisis, to step away from the immediate experience: "In
> order to explain and understand experience, it is necessary to go beyond
its
> limits; it is necessary to forget about it for a minute and move away from
> it" (Vygotsky, 1999, p. 243). Feeling good is the ideal result for an
> individual who is able to step away from his immediate struggle with
social
> demands, reflect on his/her past experience, and contemplate (extrapolate)
> his/her future experiences.  
>
>  
>
> Michael
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> "How we nurture our social emotions is what makes us who we are." 
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> ~ M. G. Levykh
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> From: mike cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com] 
> Sent: October-01-11 4:16 PM
> To: Michael Levykh
> Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] varying definitions of perezhivanie
>
>  
>
> OK, everyone is far away from being an expert. 
> But........
>
> How do you respond to the notion of "Self-regulated psychological system
of
> personality" as a synonym for perezhivanie and the discussion of similar
> terms
> in German and Spanish?
>
> I find it interesting that Vasiliuk argues that perezhivanie is a special
> kind of experience of "activity on oneself" in moments of crisis. The
whole
> idea of "individual activity" is a constant source of confusion for me,
but
> confronted with an example of a person's mate dying as the medium for
> discussion of perezhivanie makes me stop and think.
> mike
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Michael Levykh <mlevykh@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Mike. But I am far from being an expert. As for the discussion,
I
> have been only passively following on and off this one.
>
> Michael 
>
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> From: mike cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com] 
> Sent: October-01-11 3:57 PM
> To: Michael Levykh
> Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] varying definitions of perezhivanie
>
>  
>
> Good to have an expert involved, Michael. 
> What is your interpretation of the recent discussion of this issue?
> mike
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Michael Levykh <mlevykh@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> I hope the following paragraph from my 2008 PhD Theses might shed a bit
more
> light on your discussion: 
>
>  
>
> Vasilyuk (1984) writes in his annotation to Psikhologia Perezhivaniya
> (Psychology of Perezhivaniye), that in order to manage (perezhits)
> "situations of stress, frustration, inner conflict, and life crisis, quite
> often a painful inner work has to be done in re-establishing inner
> equilibrium and reconstructing a new meaningful life" (para. 1, my
> translation). For him, even a painful experience in the past can be
> recreated as a positive, pleasurable, meaningful future-oriented
experience
> of personality. Hence, perezhivaniye is a future-oriented, conscious, and
> individual emotional experience of past events achieved in the
> "here-and-now" through reflection on the individual's struggle within
> himself/herself (e.g., as if struggling between the dual consciousness of
> self and the character he/she portrays) and with the social environment
> (e.g., his/her audience). Although perezhivaniye connotes mostly negative
> (painful) experience of the past, its future-orientedness provides
> possibilities for positive outcomes. Such positive possibilities are also
> reflected in Vygotsky's optimistic views on cultural development in
general.
>
>  
>
> Michael Levykh
>
>  
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
> Behalf Of mike cole
> Sent: October-01-11 2:53 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity
> Subject: [xmca] varying definitions of perezhivanie
>
>  
>
> Below are two snippets from Vasiliuk's book which have informed my,
>
> still forming, understanding (s) of perezhivanie as used by Russians.
>
>  
>
> Its from Vasiliuk's book, The psych of experiencing. There is a ton to the
>
> book of interest but
>
> these citations bring out a feature of perezhivanie that is not evident in
>
> "lived through experience"
>
> nor even in "a mixture of emotion and cognition" versions.
>
>  
>
> This book is written within a dialogue with activity theory. perezhivanie
is
>
> translated as experiencing.
>
>  
>
> mike
>
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>
>  
>
> But in this real world, in life, situations exist where the main problem
>
> cannot be solved either by practical activity, even the best-equipped, or
by
>
> the most highly accurate reflection of that problem in the mind. If a
person
>
> is threatened by danger he can try to save himself by running away, but as
>
> R. Peters writes, "if a man is overcome by grief because his wife is dead,
>
> what can be done of a specific sort to remedy *that *situation?"
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> . when we speak of "generating meaning" what we have in mind is a
>
> special *activity
>
> on the part of the individual*. 7
>
>  
>
> The specifics of this activity are determined by the peculiarities of the
>
> situations which put the individual under the necessity of experiencing.
We
>
> shall refer to these as critical situations. If one had to use one word
only
>
> to define the nature of such situations one would have to say that they
are
>
> situations of impossibility. Impossibility of what? Impossibility of
living,
>
> of realising the internal necessities of life.
>
> The struggle against that impossibility, the struggle to realise internal
>
> necessities - that is experiencing. Experiencing is the repair of a
>
> "disruption" of life, a work of restoration, proceed-ing as it were at
right
>
> angles to the line of actualisation of life.
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*Andy Blunden*
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