RE: [xmca] Living metaphor and conventionalized language

["David H Kirshner" <dkirsh@lsu.edu>]

Are these different material processes, or different perspectives on the
same process, or is it pointless to ask?

David



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Subject: Re: [xmca] Living metaphor and conventionalized language

Larry, David...

I don't like the word "internalization" because I can't see that
anything internal is involved! As LSV put it:

"Consciousness does not occur as a specific category, as a specific mode
of being. It proves to be a very complex structure of behaviour" 

David Bakhurst describes well the 'radical realism' those guys were
developing:

"Thought is conceived not as a barrier or interface between the self and
the world beyond the mind, but as the means by which the individual
enters into immediate cognitive contact with the material world.
Thought, the mode of activity of the socially defined subject, reaches
right out to reality itself" (1991, p. 261)

If the "inner" is out there in the "outer," we've got the metaphors
wrong, IMHO.

Martin

On Aug 11, 2011, at 12:27 AM, David Kellogg wrote:

> Of course, BOTH "internalization" and "appropriation" are metaphors. I
don't flee from the "internalization" metaphor the way that Martin does,
partly because I think of it as referring not to a body but as to a
nation, a country, a city, a community, a family...or some particle
thereof. In this sense (a sense which I suppose is better captured by
"interiorization" than by "internalization", just as "reflection" is
better captured by "refraction") there is no duality; when you move from
one nation to another you do not change worlds, nor do you change
nations when you move from one city to another.
>  

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