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Yes indeed. It is a truism, Andy. Just checking to see if it applied to what you were writing about projects and concepts. mike On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: > I don't know Plotkin, Mike, but surely it is a truism for us Vygotskyites > that human life is a continual interchange between imagination and material > reality? That one person's (one period's) imagination is realised for > another person (period) by means of (mediated by) artefacts and acitivities > organised around artefacts? That tools and symbols mediate imagination and > imagination mediates material culture? > > Andy > > mike cole wrote: > >> So, in Henry Plotkin's terms, culture is the imagination made real, Andy? >> mike >> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto: >> ablunden@mira.net>> wrote: >> >> Mmmm, I have not settled on whether "dead" is the right word. >> "Objectivication" means that the project becomes an integral part >> of a way of life, reflected in a word in the language and other >> artefacts which are taken-for-granted as tied up with the concept >> which was once a project. In a sense it is very much alive, >> because it is enacted by living people and is part of the life of >> the community. But it no longer has a life of its own, so to speak. >> But projects also die in the sense that they are no longer enacted >> and are just a memory, like "old technology" or the soap box >> (trying to think of examples, I noticed that such projects often >> move over into metaphors). >> >> Andy >> >> Larry Purss wrote: >> >> Andy >> Thanks for the clarification. Institutions have a life cycle. >> While still "living" it is more accurate to refer to these >> conventionalized practices as "projects" that are continuing >> to develop. Whe the cycle ends they become dead >> ojectivications. Is this accrate? >> Larry >> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Andy Blunden >> <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> >> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>> wrote: >> >> Projects have a life cycle. The end of a life cycle (apart form >> disappearing into nothingness) is objectification. This means >> fixed material representations, including words as signs for a >> concept, and social practices which constitute the concepts in >> practice. But injects" omy view, concepts and institutions all >> pass through a phase of being projects. But I think that even >> though calling an institution a project is a bit >> counter-intuitive, it gives you a good handle on the >> dynamics, the >> history and the potential for change. >> >> Andy >> >> >> White, Phillip wrote: >> >> Andy, you wrote: >> >> "I stick to my position, that "institutions" should be >> regarded as >> projects, not tools or material artefacts of any kind >> (though >> artefacts >> are needed in the realisation of an institution, such >> as signage, >> legislation, all kinds of documents, buildings, uniforms, >> etc., etc)." >> >> Projects...... an intriguing, to me, idea - institutions as >> projects - particularly considering the root of the >> word - and >> its cousins, like "projectile", etc. >> >> many thanks for this thought. >> >> p >> >> >> Phillip White, PhD >> University of Colorado Denver >> School of Education >> phillip.white@ucdenver.edu >> <mailto:phillip.white@**ucdenver.edu <phillip.white@ucdenver.edu>> >> <mailto:phillip.white@**ucdenver.edu <phillip.white@ucdenver.edu> >> <mailto:phillip.white@**ucdenver.edu <phillip.white@ucdenver.edu> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- ------------------------------** >> ------------------------------**------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Joint Editor MCA: >> http://www.informaworld.com/**smpp/title~db=all~content= >> **g932564744<http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=g932564744> >> <http://www.informaworld.com/**smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=** >> g932564744<http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=g932564744> >> > >> <http://www.informaworld.com/** >> smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=**g932564744<http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=g932564744> >> > >> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ >> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/**> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/** >> > >> >> >> Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857> >> <http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857> >> > >> <http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857> >> <http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857> >> >> >> MIA: http://www.marxists.org <http://www.marxists.org/> >> >> ______________________________**____________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> >> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>> >> >> >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >> >> >> >> -- ------------------------------**------------------------------* >> *------------ >> >> >> *Andy Blunden* >> Joint Editor MCA: >> http://www.informaworld.com/**smpp/title~db=all~content=**g932564744<http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=g932564744> >> <http://www.informaworld.com/**smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=** >> g932564744<http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=g932564744> >> > >> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/* >> *> >> Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857> >> <http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857> >> > >> MIA: http://www.marxists.org >> >> ______________________________**____________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >> >> >> > -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Joint Editor MCA: http://www.informaworld.com/**smpp/title~db=all~content= > **g932564744<http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=g932564744> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ > Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857> > MIA: http://www.marxists.org > > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca