Re: [xmca] Toward an Ontological Account of Learning

[Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>]

Larry, it's here: <http://www.mathcs.duq.edu/~packer/Pubs/PDFs/2000%20EdPsy.pdf>

On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Larry Purss wrote:

> Thanks Martin.
> I will be able to access it on my own.  However, I won't be able to
> circulate it because of copywrite. If you have a copy that can be
> distributed more widely, to open up a conversation that would be
> appreciated.
> I also appreciate how you articulate the practices of "evaluation in school
> practices as a misguided form of "recognition" and tat the "desire" for
> recognition is one of the fundamental motivations that directs us to RESPOND
> to others intersubjectively.
> 
> I thought I would let you know I'm circulating your AERA article [short and
> therefore possibly will actually be read] to numerous people in my school
> district. I would like this topic to become a topic of professional
> development in the district. [My notion of the ideal "what-if"] The topic of
> learning as forming "kinds" of persons [being] is a very powerful reframe of
> our taken for granted notions of learning.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Larry
> 
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Larry,
>> 
>> That paper did show up in published form:
>> 
>> Packer, M. J. & Goicoechea, J. (2000). Sociocultural and constructivist
>> theories of learning: Ontology, not just epistemology. Educational
>> Psychologist, 35, 227-241.
>> 
>> If you don't have access I can send you a copy.
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Larry Purss wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Martin
>>> 
>>> In 1999 you presented at AERA on the topic "The Ontology of Learning"
>> [which
>>> is on the web if you google "Martin Packer" "Jean Lave"]
>>> In the concluding section you summarize six different ontological tropes
>>> that account for learning as a change of the PERSON not just a change of
>>> knowledge.
>>> You then mention that you and Jessie Goicheaia have explored these 6
>> tropes
>>> in detail in an unpublished paper.
>>> 
>>> My question is if it is possible to get a copy of this paper.  Learning
>> as a
>>> change of the person [in contrast to learning as changing structures of
>>> knowledge] is a perspective on learning I would like to pursue further
>> [not
>>> just personally but as a counsellor working in elementary public
>> schools.]
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Larry
>>> 
>>> PS On another topic of the contrast of "everyday concepts" and "science
>>> concepts" and schools being the institution in which to develop
>> scientific
>>> concepts as a perspective of learning seems to be critiqued by the notion
>> of
>>> learning as apprenticeship where the commonalities of learning as
>> practice
>>> across all settings challenges the dichotomy of scientific and everyday
>>> concepts.  Have these various perspectives on learning been brought into
>>> "play" on this forum?
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