RE: [xmca] "Inner Form" of Word, Symmetry, Ivanov Bateson?

[christine schweighart <schweighartgate@hotmail.com>]

David, Martin & Vera,

I have copies of T &Language, M in Society, but not the Psychology of Art- which I want to read and why i was appreciative of finding my way to this through participating in this thread. I go to it with a question of what 'art' might be considered as having the same form as - or asymmetry with. I do this with a very spongy notion that changes appear first expressed in artistic  movements and can eventually consolidate in scientific conventions later. ( I was thinking of cubo-futurists, I don't know why).

So I can't go to read around this illumination of the statue, but when I read martin's response I wonder how inner form can have a meaning of justice, where justice is achieved in a locality - as Martin included, dependent on context, what is translated is not justice, but might be signifying, symbolic?, of 'dignity of justice' generalising- but then no longer justice at all. This is from my sense of experience of striving to achieve justice within context, which affords or re -mediates, imbuing human dignity. In mercurial flux between relations, yet also in metaphor  of 'plasticity'(Huw).
   Martin's comment"It is 
dependent on context, intended interlocutor, etc. the latter, inner speech 
is likely to be a mixture of condensed soundless meanings drawn from several 
languages as well as images to be expanded and transformed into a particular 
language in its communicative, spoken and written forms
"
I too have something of a bi-lingual history and for many others comment upon the significance of beginning to dream in different spoken languages, in corresponding (to on-going living , as we become aware in our relational domain) movement and dance and touch are soundless - well sounds are not value in themselves- dance corresponds and both influence each others' form... so asymmetry is in these forms too.

However I am trying to relate this still to  what I might refine in achievements such as striving for justice as a form of conserving human dignity etc. and I  revisit a methodological framework of enquiry  (Checkland's  soft systems), and consider the recourse to artistic expression- of whatever form( and the achievement of this happening -especially in workplace settings) and know this not as mirroring, not seeking symmetry.  It also reminded me of a comment that stood out for me in the introduction to 'A defence of history and class consciousness  tailism and the Dialectic ' verso books 2000.One moment wher John Rees is conveying a paradox he sees Lukacs facing:
 "In  a world      characterised as a realm of 'absolute sinfulness', from where could progress come? From what point on the social horizon could there originate a force capable of leading beyond these two inadequate alternatives? Lukacs had no answer to these questions. And, finding no social force or political strategy equal to the task, his mind turned to artistic and ethical responses. Perhaps brief moments of artistic experience might overcome the alienation from modern political forms. perhaps there might be an ethical stance that would allow o formedne to withstand the degrading experience of living in a society where corruption was not simply excess but a fundamental principle of life. Lukacs himself described this attitude as 'romantic anti-capitalism'. It is from this pre-war period that two works of cultural criticism date, 'The Soul and its Forms'1911   and 'The theory of the Novel' 1916" p. 4
Which has some spiritual if not religious overlap ( I don't know where Mike's question about religion came from).   In this quote the 'one' is somehow inadequate, in local context this is simultanously shared and in more than any 'one', and also is not there somehow to be realised a priori  in any path dependent way.
 Christine.            



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