Phillip, You are right about Bateson of course. But Von Neuman, Demming, Ashby, and most of the others who were involved in cybernetics in the second half of he 20th century did not. Bateson was influenced in cybernetics but my understanding was after the Macy's conferences (sorry to call it Sears, department store dyslexia) he only said he was influenced by cybernetics. Michael ________________________________ From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of White, Phillip Sent: Tue 4/19/2011 11:14 AM To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject: RE: [xmca] activity (was concepts) Michael, your wrote: "So by closed system I guess I mean that all the players are already there in the system, and while they change based on the ways they interact with each other and there is a dynamism to the interaction, it does not promote or welcome, or particularly know what to do with links out to unexpected information sources." i think that Bateson would assert that all living systems are open systems - and that no human system could be a closed system - in fact, the only closed system i can think of would be one that's human-made - such as an electrical system, etc. phillip Phillip White, PhD University of Colorado Denver School of Education phillip.white@ucdenver.edu ________________________________________ __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
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