RE: [xmca] Thinking and speaking different things simultaneously

[Colette Murphy <c.a.murphy@qub.ac.uk>]

And - re lying, doesn't it seem easier to think and speak opposites, rather than to think and speak totally unrelated ideas?
Colette

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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Rod Parker-Rees [R.Parker-Rees@plymouth.ac.uk]
Sent: 01 February 2011 14:58
To: ablunden@mira.net; eXtended Mind, Culture,  Activity
Subject: RE: [xmca] Thinking and speaking different things simultaneously

Might not reading aloud involve rather different processes from more 'autonomous' speech production, possibly suggesting that the latter might be more strongly implicated in verbal thinking while we may be able to engage autopilot for (some kinds of) reading aloud?

Ivan's question about the 'double bind' of trying to maintain smooth fluent speech while grappling with tensions between 'how we see it' and 'how we want someone else to think we see it' may relate to the use of voice analysis in lie detection (I remember reading somewhere that the Dutch police at one time were recruiting blind people to listen to witness statements to pick out people who were likely to be lying).

Rod

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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Blunden
Sent: 01 February 2011 14:48
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] Thinking and speaking different things simultaneously

Particularly on the basis of the last chapter in T&S, I would say that
Vygotsky has no argument against this.
 From personal experience I can say that it is possible. I can read
aloud while thinking something completely different.


Andy

Eijck, M.W. van wrote:
> Yesterday my 8 year old daughter asked me an intriguing question. She wondered whether it is possible to say something out loud and to think (by inner speech--not images) something different simultaneously. We tried this in practice but we did not succeed in assessing whether we were actually able to do it. As far as I could assess, it appeared to me that the speaking and the thinking are not really occurring simultaneously but are following  up each other very swiftly. Actually, from both Vygotskyan and neurolinguistic developmental perspectives I think it is impossible to say something out loud and to think something different simultaneously, but I am not 100% certain.
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> What do you think?
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> Michiel
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