RE: [xmca] Co-evolution

["Duvall, Emily" <emily@uidaho.edu>]

Fascinating. I especially like thinking about my body and the minerals
that form it while thinking about trapped H2O in rocks... a bit
mind-blowing, actually. 
The story also suggests that there is room for the development of new
minerals... also mind-blowing. For some reason, in my small world, I
have easily understood life, animal and plant, as subject to evolution
and new species, but rocks and minerals have remained static, subject
only to the rock cycle. Rock development seems intuitive, but new
minerals? This leads me to wonder about elements...

Thank you, Martin! Something to distract me from my mountains of work...
:-) 


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-----Original Message-----
From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
On Behalf Of Martin Packer
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:24 AM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [xmca] Co-evolution

"the more life there is, the more rocks there are"

<http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2010/09/14/129858314/my-grandson-the-
rock>

Martin

On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mike cole wrote:

> Either way or both, rocks and humans can be said to have co-evolved,
right?
> mike
> 
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:43 AM, smago <smago@uga.edu> wrote:
> I really don't know what rocks have and don't have, aside from
scientific properties like retaining heat. I only know that some people
find them to have a spirit outside the bounds of human influence and
belief. Beyond that, we'd need to consult someone who shares that
perspective, which I've never been able to adopt personally even though
my property has perhaps thousands of them, mostly from before my
intervention but many that I've imported because I like rocks and
they're great for building retaining walls for garden terraces and other
structures that. p
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
On Behalf Of Martin Packer
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:37 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Dogs
> 
> But hang on, Peter - you're saying, then, that rocks have a spirit of
their own *for* indigenous people.
> 
> Martin
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:28 PM, smago wrote:
> 
> > Sounds like the old "tree falls in the forest" thing.
> > But I suspect that this is a Western perspective. As I understand
Indigenous perspectives in N. America, the rocks have a spirit of their
own and don't need people to construct their social futures for them. p
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
[mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:17 AM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Dogs
> >
> > I posted this scholarly account of humans and rocks a while back.
Seems to
> > suggest an answer to the co-evolution issue, Martin, although the
gender
> > ascription and individualism are a little unsettling.
> > :-)
> > mike
> > ----------
> > *A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man
contemplates
> > it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.*
> > Antoine de
Saint-Exupery<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/antoinedes16173
6.html>
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>
wrote:
> >
> >> I turned on the radio this morning to catch the end of a news story
about
> >> the co-evolution of humans and rocks! Does anyone know what they
were
> >> talking about?
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:33 PM, mike cole wrote:
> >>
> >>>> When one steps back
> >>>> and thinks of the quantity and scope of plants and animals that
humans
> >> have
> >>>> domesticated
> >>
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