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Re: sigh ... RE: [xmca] What's new in the learning sciences?



Hi elice-

Poor Jim will be inundated! I am checking on what Meltzoff, Kuhl, et al say
as well.

Attached is Emerson on Bakhtin/Shlovsky on some version of distanciation.
Odd that "alienation" has not
snuck into the conversation yet.

mike

2010/9/5 Forman, Ellice A <ellice@pitt.edu>

> Mike,
> I forwarded the earlier message to Jim Greeno. Let's see what he says. I've
> kept up with his work since 2000, since he's now a close colleague of mine
> at the University of Pittsburgh. And he's been very influenced by recent
> work by CHAT investigators.
> Ellice Forman
>
> ________________________________________
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf
> Of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 1:21 PM
> To: David H Kirshner
> Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity
> Subject: Re: sigh ... RE: [xmca] What's new in the learning sciences?
>
> Thanks for the ref, David. Wonder what Jim Greeno would have to say.
> mike
>
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:01 AM, David H Kirshner <dkirsh@lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> > This raises an issue we've discussed before, whether the putative
> interest
> > of cognitivists in socioculturalism should be appreciated as a possible
> > reaching out toward a social ontology, or as a hegemonic move toward
> > capturing the sociocultural flag within an individualist paradigm.
> Without
> > alleging bad faith--many cognitivists do struggle--there seems to have
> been
> > very little foundational movement of cognitivism over the 25 years since
> the
> > flirtation with situated cognition theory started in earnest. Perhaps the
> > reconciliation of Greeno with Anderson, Reder, and Simon following their
> > principled disagreements was the end of the line for fundamental movement
> of
> > cognitive science.
> > David
> >
> > Anderson, J. R., Greeno, J. G., Reder, L. M., & Simon, H. A. (2000).
> > Perspectives on learning, thinking, and activity. Educational Researcher,
> > 29(4), 11-23.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> On
> > Behalf Of mike cole
> > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 10:33 AM
> > To: Tony Whitson
> > Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity; William Penuel
> > Subject: Re: sigh ... RE: [xmca] What's new in the learning sciences?
> >
> > Tony-- There was some discussion of this article not long after it came
> > out,
> > i believe. I am perfectly happy to engage the article seriously and to
> seek
> > to engage the authors as well. But is there a will to do so on xmca?
> >
> > Note: Polls will be closing on next article for discussion from XMCA at
> > noon
> > on Wednesday, PST.
> >
> > mike
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Tony Whitson <twhitson@udel.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > This appeared in Science, which is a widely read and highly regarded
> > > journal
> > > for the broader science community in the US.
> > >
> > > ... sigh !!!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of O'Connor, Kevin
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:00 PM
> > > To: lchcmike@gmail.com
> > > Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity; William Penuel
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] What's new in the learning sciences?
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > Iąd say that Bill and I draw our sense of Śhuman scienceą directly from
> > > those 19th c. discussions and more recent developments along the same
> > > lines.
> > > We do make these connections in the intro chapter, and return to them
> in
> > > the
> > > conclusion to locate a human science perspective within contemporary
> > > learning research.  Iąd also note that Martin Packer directly raises
> the
> > > links to Vygotskyąs crisis in his chapter.
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/6/10 1:35 PM, "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Kevin, that is very helpful.
> > > > Just from what was in the TC summary, the following question arises
> for
> > > me. To
> > > > what extent is the notion of human science in this overview akin to,
> or
> > > derive
> > > > its theoretical orientation from, discussions about the "humane" "vs"
> > the
> > > > natural sciences in the late 19th century. I ask because this links
> to
> > > > Vygotsky's "crisis" monograph and ongoing discussions in many places
> > > including
> > > > xmca. Will read ch1 when the workday has come to an end.
> > > > mike
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:31 AM, O'Connor, Kevin
> > > <kevin.oconnor@rochester.edu>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> Hi Mike,
> > > >> Thanks for asking, Mike!  Below is the original proposal for a
> special
> > > issue
> > > >> that eventually became the NSSE Yearbook ­ this will provide an
> > > overview.
> > > >>  Also, with the permission of Teachers College Record, which now
> > > publishes
> > > >> the NSSE Yearbooks, Iąve attached the introductory chapter.  Of
> > course,
> > > >> different authors in the yearbook develop the idea of a human
> science
> > in
> > > >> different ways and would emphasize different points.
> > > >> Kevin
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Research on Learning as a Human Science
> > > >>
> > > >> Organizers and Co-Editors:
> > > >> William R. Penuel
> > > >> Kevin OąConnor
> > > >>
> > > >> Theme Overview:
> > > >> This special issue of Teachers College Record will articulate an
> > > approach
> > > to
> > > >> learning research as human science.  This human science approach
> views
> > > >> science as an inherently value-laden social practice, implying
> > different
> > > >> epistemologies, methodologies, and research foci.  It is concerned
> not
> > > just
> > > >> with what works but also with questions about the goals and purposes
> > of
> > > >> education; the involvement of different actors and groups in
> advancing
> > > those
> > > >> goals; and the enactment of designs for learning and their
> > consequences.
> > >  The
> > > >> papers aim to exemplify this approach, showing how it can inform
> > broader
> > > >> debates over the nature and purposes of learning, and suggest
> > different
> > > >> understandings of and approaches to how education can transform
> social
> > > >> futures for individuals and their communities.
> > > >>
> > > >> Objectives
> > > >> Recently, both academic research into learning and broader policy
> > > discussions
> > > >> over the nature and direction of learning and education have been
> > framed
> > > by
> > > >> two largely distinct scientific paradigms.  On one hand is an
> > approach,
> > > >> modeled on clinical trials in medicine, that promotes controlled
> > > >> experimentation on learning outcomes as the route to knowledge about
> > > >> learning, and on the other hand is an approach, modeled on
> > engineering,
> > > that
> > > >> promotes detailed in situ studies of learning processes in
> > > >> theoretically-derived learning environments. A third broad paradigm
> of
> > > >> scientific activity, social science as human science, has yet to
> gain
> > a
> > > >> unified voice in these discussions, despite the work of many
> > > individuals.
> > > >> This special issue aims to articulate and offer exemplars of this
> > human
> > > >> science approach to studying learning, which we believe can stand
> > > alongside
> > > >> and extend currently prevailing approaches to inform broader debates
> > > over
> > > the
> > > >> nature and purposes of learning and education.  Framing learning
> > > research
> > > as
> > > >> a human science implies different epistemologies, methodologies, and
> > > foci
> > > of
> > > >> research than those pursued by many researchers today. In addition,
> > the
> > > >> approach implies different understandings of and approaches to how
> > > education
> > > >> can transform social futures for individuals and their communities.
> > > >>
> > > >> Significance of the Proposed Special Issue Theme
> > > >>
> > > >> Much attention in recent years has been paid to the status of
> research
> > > on
> > > >> learning as a science, especially with respect to what kind of
> science
> > > it
> > > >> ought it to be. Although the debate is hardly new, it is
> particularly
> > > pitched
> > > >> at the moment, with significant resources at stake for both research
> > and
> > > >> practice. For example, advocates for more experimental research in
> > > education
> > > >> (e.g., Cook, 2002) argue that education should be a science that
> > > advances
> > > >> through testing of impacts on student achievement of discrete
> > programs.
> > > Their
> > > >> view is that educational research should proceed like medical
> > research,
> > > and
> > > >> that such tests are best carried out through random assignment
> studies
> > > is
> > > now
> > > >> reflected in federal law that defines research as the products of
> > > experiments
> > > >> and allocates evaluation funds principally to those investigators
> who
> > > agree
> > > >> to conduct randomized controlled trials (Slavin, 2002). An alternate
> > > view
> > > >> proposed by researchers in the learning sciences is that research on
> > > learning
> > > >> ought to be a design science (Barab & Squire, 2004; Brown, 1992;
> > > Collins,
> > > >> 1990; Collins, Joseph, & Bielaczyc, 2004; Kelly, 2003). This work
> has
> > > >> received significant federal support itself over the past two
> decades
> > > (Suter
> > > >> & Frechtling, 2000), primarily from the National Science Foundation,
> > and
> > > its
> > > >> signature methodology, the łdesign experiment˛ (Brown, 1992), has
> > > received
> > > >> prominent attention within major journals in education (e.g.,
> special
> > > issues
> > > >> of Educational Researcher and The Journal of the Learning Sciences).
> > The
> > > >> likening of education to engineering in the learning sciences draws
> > > attention
> > > >> to the goal of engaging in the task of developing usable and useful
> > > curricula
> > > >> that impact teaching and learning.
> > > >>
> > > >> Each of these images of what kind of science research on learning
> > should
> > > be
> > > >> obscures some important humanistic aspects of the discipline. The
> > logic
> > > of
> > > >> experimentation explicitly treats characteristics of persons and
> their
> > > >> contexts as sources of experimental error controllable by random
> > > assignment.
> > > >> But teachers, administrators, and policy makers are often very
> > > interested
> > > in
> > > >> context, in łwhat works when, how, and for whom˛ in ways that
> demands
> > > >> researchers pay much closer attention to persons and context in
> > > selecting
> > > >> programs for adoption (Means & Penuel, 2005). Moreover, the
> > hypothesized
> > > >> relationship of research to practice‹namely that identification of
> > > effective
> > > >> programs will become information that rational actors use to select
> > > programs
> > > >> and improve practice (e.g., Dynarski, 2008)‹fails to acknowledge
> > > inequities
> > > >> in access to information about programs and resources to support
> them
> > > that
> > > >> exist in systems and overlooks one of the features that makes
> medical
> > > >> knowledge so useful, namely its signature pedagogies and methods of
> > > induction
> > > >> (Shulman, 2005). The image of education as an engineering science
> > gives
> > > >> greater primacy to the local context (e.g., Squire, MaKinster,
> > Barnett,
> > > >> Luehmann, & Barab, 2003), but often either taken for granted or left
> > > >> underspecified are both the larger educational purposes of
> curricular
> > > >> innovations and the probable consequences of those innovations, if
> > > >> implemented widely, for the long-term social futures of
> participating
> > > >> students. Casting educational improvement as a problem of design and
> > > >> engineering provides few conceptual handles for engaging larger
> > debates
> > > about
> > > >> what is worth knowing (Whitehead, 1929), particularly given how the
> > > world
> > > is
> > > >> changing; about how to teach łother peopleąs children˛ (Delpit,
> 1986);
> > > or
> > > >> even for considering who might benefit and who might be harmed if
> > > designed
> > > >> innovations were brought to scale.
> > > >>
> > > >> An alternative approach is to cast educational research as a human
> > > science,
> > > >> distinct from the logic of social experimentation and from design
> > > science.
> > > >> Some key ideas of the approach are:
> > > >> * Educational research is a social practice situated in broader
> > > institutional
> > > >> and historical contexts; participants as agents within those
> contexts
> > > are
> > > >> reproducing, adapting, and transforming the social practice of
> > > educational
> > > >> research through their research activities.
> > > >> * In contrast to experimental research, a goal of human sciences
> > > research
> > > >> should be to understand why actors do what they do from multiple
> > > >> perspectives, including their own. This łemic˛ turn in educational
> > > research
> > > >> seeks to re-voice the experiences of actors within theoretical
> frames.
> > > >> * In contrast to engineering-oriented research, a goal of human
> > sciences
> > > >> research should analyze design itself as human activity and consider
> > > what
> > > >> values designs reflect and deflect, who benefits and who loses from
> > > >> implementation, and the extent to which particular design activities
> > > >> reproduce or transform new social futures. Like education, design is
> > > >> value-laden. Design research approaches have often foregrounded
> > > engineering
> > > >> issues and backgrounded the articulation of values and their
> origins,
> > > with
> > > >> important exceptions (e.g., Edelson & Joseph, 2004) that suggest a
> > human
> > > >> sciences approach may be seen as an extension of or fulfillment of
> the
> > > design
> > > >> research tradition as opposed to a break from it.
> > > >> * Following from these points, research on learning requires that
> the
> > > >> researcher stipulate, explicitly or implicitly, the endpoint or
> telos
> > > toward
> > > >> which learning and development are directed.  Thus, human science is
> > an
> > > >> inherently value-laden endeavor (Kaplan, 1983).
> > > >> * Relationships between researchers and research participants are
> > > implicated
> > > >> in operations of power, locally and beyond the immediate situation.
> > This
> > > >> provides an additional warrant for arguing that a human science
> > approach
> > > >> merits more extensive discussion and articulation as a Śthird wayą
> in
> > > >> educational research ­ beyond both the medical-model and the
> > engineering
> > > >> model.
> > > >>
> > > >> Such perspectives are not entirely new.  Indeed, the idea that the
> > human
> > > >> sciences represent a distinct kind of science, distinguished from
> the
> > > natural
> > > >> sciences, has a long tradition in Western social science and
> > philosophy
> > > of
> > > >> science, originating in Vicoąs New Science, which argues for a
> science
> > > of
> > > >> human society based not on an understanding of universal laws but
> > rather
> > > on
> > > >> those sensibilities that govern different communities in different
> > human
> > > >> ages. More recent formulations draw attention to the fundamental
> role
> > of
> > > >> language and interpretation in social scientific accounts (Taylor,
> > > 1985),
> > > to
> > > >> the vital uses of reasons and arguments in human affairs that
> consider
> > > the
> > > >> particulars of situations rather than a Cartesian timeless and
> > > context-free
> > > >> rationality (Toulmin, 1990), and of the need to explicate operations
> > of
> > > power
> > > >> within such accounts (Flyvbjerg, 2001)
> > > >>
> > > >> What is new in this series of papers is the articulation of a linked
> > set
> > > of
> > > >> perspectives for guiding programs of research based on the idea that
> > > >> educational research should be concerned not just about what works
> but
> > > with
> > > >> questions about the goals and purposes of education; the involvement
> > of
> > > >> different actors and groups in advancing those goals; and the
> > enactment
> > > of
> > > >> designs for learning and their consequences. We anticipate that many
> > > design
> > > >> researchers agree with such a perspective; others argue explicitly
> > that
> > > >> design research and experimental aims are both similar to the goals
> > for
> > > the
> > > >> natural sciences (Collins et al., 2004; diSessa & Cobb, 2004). But
> in
> > > both
> > > >> the design-based and experimental tradition, practitioners,
> > communities
> > > of
> > > >> parents, and students rarely get to define the goals for endeavors
> > > >> (Engeström, 2008). Needed within the learning sciences are
> > perspectives
> > > and
> > > >> methods that lead to research that can guide practical action and
> that
> > > opens
> > > >> questions about purpose to public dialogue; to designs that enable
> > > learners
> > > >> and communities to advance new social futures; and to organizational
> > > settings
> > > >> that allow for broad participation in debates about the ends of
> > > education.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 7/6/10 12:53 PM, "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com
> > > >> <http://lchcmike@gmail.com> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Looks wonderfully interesing, Kevin. McDermott got me to read Moll
> > > Flanders
> > > >>> recently in connection with his contribution which is the only one
> I
> > > recall
> > > >>> seeing.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Is there somewhere in the volume or elsewhere where you and your
> > > colleagues
> > > >>> lay out for the reader what is meant by a human science?
> > > >>> Could that be made available to xmca readers?
> > > >>> mike
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:44 AM, O'Connor, Kevin
> > > <kevin.oconnor@rochester.edu
> > > >>> <http://kevin.oconnor@rochester.edu> > wrote:
> > > >>>> (this time with attachment)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hi Mike,
> > > >>>> Bill Penuel and I have co-edited an NSSE Yearbook, just published,
> > on
> > > the
> > > >>>> topic of 'Learning Research as a Human Science.'  I was not at
> ICLS,
> > > but
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> perspective was well-represented there by a number of contributors
> > to
> > > the
> > > >>>> yearbook who qualify as both 'learning scientists' and
> > 'XMCA-o-types'.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I've attached the table of contents for those who might be
> > interested.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I'm looking forward to others' reports of the conference!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Kevin
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Kevin O'Connor
> > > >>>> Assistant Professor
> > > >>>> School of Education, 249 UCB
> > > >>>> University of Colorado
> > > >>>> Boulder CO 80309
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> kevin.oconnor@colorado.edu <http://kevin.oconnor@colorado.edu>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 7/5/10 11:33 AM, "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com
> > > >>>> <http://lchcmike@gmail.com> > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> > Dear XMCA-o-types,
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > Several of you have visited the charming city of Chicago and
> > > attending a
> > > >>>>> > convocation of "learning
> > > >>>>> > scientists."
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > *WHAT NEWS? WHAT'S INTERESTING? WHAT'S HOT? ONLY LEARNING, NO
> > > >>>>> INSTRUCTION?
> > > >>>>> > :-)
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > MIKE*
> > > >>>>> > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > > >
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